Incredible that Jorgensen aka "The Moose" could run so fast with that flat footed, heel striking, hunched up unaesthetic form. Guy was a beast. Strong as the proverbial ox.
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Podcast is in Danish but I think Swedes and Norwegians can understand as they are mutually intelligible, closely related languages.
Could JS post some insights about this?
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The fifth or sixth post on this link is from CJ with a training sample:
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The Imitation Game wrote:
Europeans are very smart and dedicated.
Yeah, just look at pro cycling.
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how do they enforce this wrote:
How do they stop orienteers from A) doping and B) cheating with smuggled GPS devices?
Typically they are out in the wilderness so it may be hard to stop them from cheating with a GPS device.
All orienteering runners are wearing a gps watch so the can analyze their race later, but you don't have any use for it during a race.
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HRE wrote:
an orienteer wrote:
There are precedents for orienteering studs being good runners. The most notable is Anders Gärderud winning gold in a world record time at the '76 Olympics. More recently a lot of orienteers are among the top current trail runners.
There definitely are precedents and the other two best examples I can think of are also Scandinavians, Kjell Erik Stahl and Carsten Jorgensen. Peter Snell took to orienteering in his later years.
Topi Raitanen - 2022 European champion in steeplechase - has an orienteering background. He has a relay gold medal from Junior World Orienteering Championships.
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wen barkley marathons
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This will push Korir down another spot, right?
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how do they enforce this wrote:
How do they stop orienteers from A) doping and B) cheating with smuggled GPS devices?
Typically they are out in the wilderness so it may be hard to stop them from cheating with a GPS device.
orienteers are the most unlikely cheaters in the world.
All high educated, smart honest people.And….no money in the sport
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Steffe!! wrote:
how do they enforce this wrote:
How do they stop orienteers from A) doping and B) cheating with smuggled GPS devices?
Typically they are out in the wilderness so it may be hard to stop them from cheating with a GPS device.
All orienteering runners are wearing a gps watch so the can analyze their race later, but you don't have any use for it during a race.
how is a device that shows your precise location, even when you are moving, not useful for that?
Perhaps you mean not useful, like GPS map in a car is not useful to an 80 year old driver used to paper maps.16 -
The Original Poster wrote:
This will push Korir down another spot, right?
Definitely.
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jdjdjejr wrote:
Ghost only ever posts about the 1st white guy. 6 faster men than him today but he doesnt mention them at all.
Its pretty weird.
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befto wrote:
jdjdjejr wrote:
Ghost only ever posts about the 1st white guy. 6 faster men than him today but he doesnt mention them at all.
Its pretty weird.
Not true....go back to my profile and you'll see posts about non whites....etc ...example the Peruvian and Bolivian marathoners running 2:07:00-2:09:00 despite unimpressive (14:30/30:00) track credentials.
Kyburz is an outlier: that's what prompted this post. He's relatively new to the sport and just produced a 2:07:40 ...despite modest track credentials (14:45) up until now.
It's true that the depth in Kenya is so deep, so ridiculous, that new Kenyans running 2:05:00-2:07:00 don't raise eyebrows. Those are equivalent Mzungu times of 2:12:00-2:15:00. Different levels, different philosophies....A Kenyan running 2:12:00-2:15:00 is like a category C/D J.V. athlete - nothing special. A guy like Sammy Nyokaye would fit that latter description, but he's not famous in Kenya....but bless him and coach J.S. nevertheless.
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how do they enforce this wrote:
Steffe!! wrote:
All orienteering runners are wearing a gps watch so the can analyze their race later, but you don't have any use for it during a race.
how is a device that shows your precise location, even when you are moving, not useful for that?
Perhaps you mean not useful, like GPS map in a car is not useful to an 80 year old driver used to paper maps.
Orienteering is competed on maps with a scale of 1:10000 or 1:15000 (1 cm on the map is 100-150 meters in the terrain). You would need a laptop sized gps device to be able to use it in competition. It would also take too much time to use it. Elite runners almost never stops during races - not even at the control points.
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that's a lot better then he did at sierra-zinal last year. 12th.
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Sammy is off to China again unless he's already there.
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HRE wrote:
Sammy is off to China again unless he's already there.
Message from him last week said not in China yet. He has 2 kids to feed....tough times. The guy lives almost exclusively on Kale and Ugali, washed down with milky sweet tea. In the West consider that diet = undernourished....in the West we choose to be vegan/vegetarian...in Kenya it's an economic necessity....at a feast or wedding it would be heresy to refuse meat .. just saying...
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darkcloud wrote:
that's a lot better then he did at sierra-zinal last year. 12th.
11th actually, and 8th Mzungu. Top 3 were Kenyan. Winner 2:27, Kyburz 2:39.
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Steffe!! wrote:
how do they enforce this wrote:
how is a device that shows your precise location, even when you are moving, not useful for that?
Perhaps you mean not useful, like GPS map in a car is not useful to an 80 year old driver used to paper maps.
Orienteering is competed on maps with a scale of 1:10000 or 1:15000 (1 cm on the map is 100-150 meters in the terrain). You would need a laptop sized gps device to be able to use it in competition. It would also take too much time to use it. Elite runners almost never stops during races - not even at the control points.
being pissed off explains nothing. What does the map scale have to do with what device is needed? You can zoom in or out of a map, then rezoom, on any device, such as a cell phone.
If, as you say, the elites almost never stop anyhow, then how is this orienteering? Seems more like a race to some point up to 15k away that isn't hard to find at all.
I think I have discovered orienteering is a fake sport for b-level runners. Bummer, it would have been interesting otherwise012
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