good thread wejo
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Julian Assange too or is he on the wrong team?
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he\'d have been swapped already otherwise wrote:
Maybe we should know the charges. If someone is detained on a sm wrote:
No. It matters. U.S. citizens go to Russia almost every day to visit. Over 99% of U.S. citizens who visit Russia go there and come back to The States with no problems. A U.S. journalist has not been charged with espionage in Russia or Soviet Union in decades. I did not ask if this Evan fella is innocent or guilty. I asked for details of the charge(s).
Griner was swapped quickly enough because there was little value in holding her, and the embarrassment to the west (and her personally) was their stupid ignorance of the drug laws of other countries.
Gershkovich, on the other hand, is likely higher value and not someone they would swap for a bit player like Victor Bout. There are a lot of criminal expats and traitors they want back, whom US is likely protecting.
A fake espionage charge would be risky and prone to failure. It's probably real. Washington's spying ability has been devastated in recent years, including the execution of most of their agents in China. Their main problem is not usually involving US citizens, outside the case officer role under diplomatic cover.
1) In uniform military personnel, O.N.I., C.I.A., other U.S. intel organizations.
2) U.S. intel contractors and U.S. based merc organizations.
3) Recruited U.S. assets. U.S. assets who are trust fund kids or get a paycheck from another U.S. company. Journalists in U.S. used for propaganda who push talking points for D.o.D., C.I.A. and O.N.I. are common. So common, it is not preferred to send journalists overseas for espionage work, but when there is a void, it is done.
4) Foreign assets flipped by O.N.I. or C.I.A. or other U.S. intel agencies. [Difficult and no one knows if a person is actually a double agent.]
5) I have no idea why posters are tying this in to B Griner. No one believes U.S. sent a near 7 foot woman to Russia for espionage activity.
Run for E G is not helpful. Biden administration knows he is there. E G situation will be handled with quiet negotiation or U.S. will allow him to rot in jail. Bringing attention to it is the opposite of quiet negotiation.
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The comparison to Griner is useful at least to illustrate the potential of sheer stupidity to result in criminal charges. She genuinely seemed to think that a cannabis product was legal everywhere just for being legal at home. People like that just shouldn't travel abroad at all.
A journalist can get in trouble the same way, just for nosing around in the wrong way. Photographing the wrong things, getting info from the wrong people. Still, the charge of espionage suggests the Russians have evidence of US government backing.22 -
I'm sure Russia will hear about the run and immediately release him
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Touring the country. Omitted is the part about destinations that typically do not cater to the average leisure traveler.
"Gershkowitz played hockey in Russia on a club hockey team. In his free time, he enjoyed touring the country."
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Newname wrote:
who cares what the fabricated charge is wrote:
Russia charges anyone they want with 'espionage'.
Even those who are spying
Nations up and down western hemisphere, individuals are detained and questioned based on fitting a few demographic profiles, good or bad. E G fits the demographic profile of a typical letsrun pro-Ukraine fanatic. U.S. is trying to ruin Russia as I type. There is a war several hundred miles from Moscow. At a minimum, E G did not do well in his interview with Russian authorities. Is it the position of supporters of E G on thread that E G is 100% innocent of espionage? Is it the position of majority of posters on this thread that it is okay for E G to be a pro-Ukrainian spy and he should be released anyway?
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For a guy who many here claim is probably a spy, Evan Gershkovich sure has written quite a few articles. Some of them were critical of Putin. Huh, criticize an autocrat, get locked up. Sh1thole country.
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A few more articles by Evan G, on WSJ. About 110 of them, although these are co-written with other journalists, as is common with big papers.
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Putin is a btch wrote:
They’ve made multiple attempts to free Evan.
It still took almost a year to release Griner. Everyone including NBA players were actually calling out the administration for what they thought was lack of urgency before it resolved.
The Biden Administration worked extra hard to free Griner because she clicked boxes that Dem voters prefer.
Heterosexual caucasian male working for a moderately right publication? Good luck buddy!
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grumpyoldman wrote:
Putin is a btch wrote:
They’ve made multiple attempts to free Evan.
It still took almost a year to release Griner. Everyone including NBA players were actually calling out the administration for what they thought was lack of urgency before it resolved.
The Biden Administration worked extra hard to free Griner because she clicked boxes that Dem voters prefer.
Heterosexual caucasian male working for a moderately right publication? Good luck buddy!
Putin didn't really care about Griner and her pot. But Evan is a journalist who has written many articles critical of him. Putin likes to imprison journalists so that other journalists think twice before writing anything critical of him. Sh1thole country.
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Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
For a guy who many here claim is probably a spy, Evan Gershkovich sure has written quite a few articles. Some of them were critical of Putin. Huh, criticize an autocrat, get locked up. Sh1thole country.
Not possible he is a spy?
US has no spies in Russia?
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Deport Joe Biden. Maybe we trade his sorry behind for Mr. Gershkovich.
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Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
grumpyoldman wrote:
The Biden Administration worked extra hard to free Griner because she clicked boxes that Dem voters prefer.
Heterosexual caucasian male working for a moderately right publication? Good luck buddy!
Putin didn't really care about Griner and her pot. But Evan is a journalist who has written many articles critical of him. Putin likes to imprison journalists so that other journalists think twice before writing anything critical of him. Sh1thole country.
Similar to the Biden administration attempting to jail political opposition at the moment. You are a clueless child.
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Newname wrote:
Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
For a guy who many here claim is probably a spy, Evan Gershkovich sure has written quite a few articles. Some of them were critical of Putin. Huh, criticize an autocrat, get locked up. Sh1thole country.
Not possible he is a spy?
US has no spies in Russia?
The usual process is that those accusing someone of spying present evidence of that.
In the year since Gershkovich has been detained, he has not been indicted, hence there is no publicly available evidence supporting his detention.
Allegedly Putin has suggested a prisoner swap for Vadim Krasikov who is serving a life sentence in Germany for the witnessed/daylight assassination of a Chechen in Berlin while traveling under an assumed identity with papers apparently issued by the Russian government.
One of these cases is not like the other.
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pablo polates wrote:
Yellow Pad wrote:
lol. As if she was transporting and selling weed in Russia. I look forward to all the upvotes you will be giving yourself.
Women’s National Basketball Association (WNBA) star Brittney Griner pleaded guilty Thursday to drug trafficking in Khimki Russia amid accusations that she was wrongfully detained in the country. According to Russian state news agency TASS, Griner admitted her guilt but stated there was no intent to smuggle the drugs into the country.
Citing the TASS is hilarious, I can only imagine what you would say about Otto Warmbier given what the KCNA said about him (and what he admitted on the air).
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M4ga mom wrote:
Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
Putin didn't really care about Griner and her pot. But Evan is a journalist who has written many articles critical of him. Putin likes to imprison journalists so that other journalists think twice before writing anything critical of him. Sh1thole country.
Similar to the Biden administration attempting to jail political opposition at the moment. You are a clueless child.
Grand Juries composed of regular ole citizens voted to charge Donald Trump with crimes, based on evidence that they were shown. When Donald Trump goes to trial, the verdict will be determined by a jury composed of citizens. That's our system. In Russia, Putin can make a phone call and have someone locked up. That's a Sh1thole country. Let's not have that.
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Sweaty ole Steve wrote:
M4ga mom wrote:
Similar to the Biden administration attempting to jail political opposition at the moment. You are a clueless child.
Grand Juries composed of regular ole citizens voted to charge Donald Trump with crimes, based on evidence that they were shown. When Donald Trump goes to trial, the verdict will be determined by a jury composed of citizens. That's our system. In Russia, Putin can make a phone call and have someone locked up. That's a Sh1thole country. Let's not have that.
You are perhaps the stupidest son of a b1tch in the country if you believe this.
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Maybe we should know the charges. If someone is detained on a sm wrote:
Newname wrote:
Even those who are spying
Nations up and down western hemisphere, individuals are detained and questioned based on fitting a few demographic profiles, good or bad. E G fits the demographic profile of a typical letsrun pro-Ukraine fanatic. U.S. is trying to ruin Russia as I type. There is a war several hundred miles from Moscow. At a minimum, E G did not do well in his interview with Russian authorities. Is it the position of supporters of E G on thread that E G is 100% innocent of espionage? Is it the position of majority of posters on this thread that it is okay for E G to be a pro-Ukrainian spy and he should be released anyway?
He's either 100% innocent or 100% guilty. There's no way he's a spy as an occasional side hobby. I think anyone with sense has to acknowledge it's possible he's a spy. But I think probably he isn't. If he were truly a spy, I doubt Russia would be willing to release him. (And they do seem to be willing, albeit at high cost.) I guess I give him the benefit of the doubt and feel for him either way. Please consider that if he is a spy, he's an American patriot. (Spying for the US? Possible. Spying for Ukraine? No way.)
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