3 Ethiopians casually run 3:55.28 - 3:56.47 - The US should forfeit now! 🤣

And East Germany had clean living and Ma's army turtle blood.

The Kenyans are getting busted in Kenya. If Ethiopia is not testing or is not on the level, you get the farce we are seeing.

Funny that you and empty promises posted at the same time. Glad that the brojos gave youbticket 16 with them after

Curious. So are there any world leaders that you think are clean? And how would you determine which you think are clean and which are not?

Since lots of world leaders dope, all worlds leaders dope - or they couldn't keep up with the leading dopers.

Consider that the average yearly income in Ethiopia is only a little over $1,000 US. A runner placing high in one A level race may earn $2,000 or more, twice the average yearly income back home. What is $2,000 in a place like Boulder? Maybe a month's rent.

East Africans have a drive toward success in distance running the way Americans have a drive toward success in football or basketball. The league minimum in the NFL is $750,000; in the NBA, it is about $1.2 million for a rookie. That is life-altering money. No distance runner in America makes anywhere close to that.

An American runner who earns $25,000 in a season is below the poverty level. An Ethiopian runner who earns $25,000 in a season will go home and be the 1%.

i didn't say there are no busts in kenya. but many if not most of them are outside kenya. ethiopia does not have anywhere near the same number of athletes caught despite having roughly the same number of athletes competing abroad. the only explanation for that, unless you think ethiopians have access to a new drug nobody else knows about, is that they aren't doping on anywhere near the same scale as the kenyans.

There is a guy from Sandnes Norway who has coached 4 athletes (3 who are his own kids) to average sub-3.30 for 1500m. If this guy can do it, why aren't there a boatload of men doing that in America (are there more a couple under 3.30?). For the women, there should be as many as Ethiopia produces. Instead of claiming doping all the time - get off your asses and start developing runners. Based on the supposed knowledge from the "know-it-all" posters on this site, there should be plenty of people capable of developing sub-4min women (even a half a dozen sub-3.55) and sub-3.30 men. But then this modern society likes to produce armchair coaches, not real ones, at least in America. I'm not American, so I don't give a crap - I just get tired of the whinging. The NCAA should have little problem with the development. Why it isn't happening is perhaps an indictment of how inadequate the coaching development really is, with only a few exceptions.

Really interesting to see the shoe choices. Lots of peg turbo 2s and peg 35s. Workout shoes primarily next%2

USA women need to get a lot faster. 4:15-16/3:58 are cool accomplishments but 3:53-4 fitness is going to be the standard for a medal. Ditto the men and 3:30-2 to 3:28 (outside of Nuguse). But it can be done.

FWIW when indexed internationally for corruption, Ethiopia ranks 94th and Kenya 126th of 180 nations. Denmark is number 1, least corrupt, with Norway 5th.

To claim that Ethiopia is somehow significantly more ethical than Kenya doesn't hold water.

Wasn’t there a WA or WADA report last year that revealed that the Ethiopian elites are the most tested athletes in the world? Plus they’re racing all year round in every competition possible on all surfaces all around the world. So if all of them are doping as you claimed, then they are being very reckless about it. The Kenyans disappear for half of the year and don’t race despite always complaining about how they have to run to escape poverty…….not suspicious at all

None. We know that every top cyclist since around 1990 has been doing high octane epo/blood doping. Why distance running would be different mskes no sense. The whole premise of this thread is how much faster Ethiopia is running than anyone else. Well that is chemistry.

Nothing casual about those performances, they were working and sprinting and grinding!!

It’s 1 event. In total T&F we would beat Kenya and Ethiopia combined. Maybe it’s us who are epo-ing/doping?

That was casual af, 1.35 slower than her outdoor PR and not even breathing hard afterwards. Hugging, kissing, smiling, no sign of pain while Americans are throwing up running a 4 flat. 🤣 World indoor will be Nikki, ESP and someone even slower than both of them who won't even run 4:04. 😝😂

Yeah,not even the chinese in the 90s were that obvious,at least not so early in the year.The russians weren't,either.

Well it clearly does hold water because they are 32 places higher, or did you misunderstand your own source.

In any case i am talking about doping not corruption, they are different things, though i accept there will be correlation in many instances.

Shelbs ain't getting back to those times while AIU are watching her like a hawk.