Mo Katir fails in attempt at Josh Kerr's European indoor mile record

Mo Watcher · 2024-01-31T06:02:51-05:00

Only 3 seconds short. Looked completely done at the end too, which is quite unusual for him.Surprising as you would think he would be quite pumped up at this stage of the season.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9iWc8f66s

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2 years ago 02/01/2024 3:37am EST

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
Katir is done as a 1500m/miler. I know he was pulled to a 3:28.9 by Jakob at Bislett last year, but apart from that, his performances have been underwhelming since his bronze at the World Championships in 2022. He'd be better off concentrating on the 5000.

Dear Coevett, I just wanted you to know that I like you and your comment and gave it a thumbs up! Yes and I kinda feel actually the same thing (that they are done at 1500m/mile) for Jakob and Josh back in 2022 but for more specific reasons of them having been vaccinated with the disastrous anti-God anti-life anti-health mRNA vaccine for COVID 19 in combination of course with 24/7 eternal anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure. I felt like both the performances of Josh and Jakob dipped for a significant amount of time DESPITE them notching medals or new PBs or otherwise in all of 2022 or 2023!!!

I know it sounds paradoxical for me to say that their performances dipped when their PBs and medals go UP but please be patient with me for 1 moment as I try to explain to you based on my superior RF honed expertise that it is possible to engender such an illusion based on the causal law of transients!! If you have ever traded the stock markets you would know what I mean. Or if you have ever heard of the axiom or proverb "the calm before the storm" you would also know what I mean!

Causality is not straight forward at the electromagnetic level because Nikola Tesla the genius Physicist proved that greater than speed of light travel is possible!

In sport performance terms, an athlete goes through a lot of performance troughs before hitting a new peak. In the case of Jakob and Josh in 2022 I already sensed that they were hitting new PBs and records or hitting TRANSIENT new performance peaks on a steady PERMANENT downward decline overall, with the downwards being overwhelmingly moderated by both the toxic mRNA vaccine and anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure combined!

And now when Jakob finally gets an injury, I cannot ignore or disassociate the events of him receiving the COVID vaccine 2 years earlier in early 2022 and of course in dual combination with anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure from cradle hitherto 2024! All events in electromagnetic space-time are interwoven hence causal by default no matter HOW FAR AWAY and it's a just a matter of degree of causality such as 1%, 10% or 100%!!!

Everything CAUSES everything, anything CAUSES anything else no matter how far away in time and space history in the past or future!!! But since the collective consciousness of mankind overwhelmingly condemns molecular poisons such as mRNA, graphene oxide and COVID vaccine as well as known electromagnetic poisons in 4G/5G/WiFi/bluetooth including every other known electronic, digital or RF/EMF technology in modernity, the degree of causality for these 2 poisons are definitely way above 90 percent in space-time both short-term and especially long-term.

For Jakob to only get an Achilles injury 1-2 years after an mRNA COVID jab in dual effect with anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure is PAR FOR THE COURSE in electromagnetic theory/causality! That Jakob could be afflicted with such an injury on the back of these 2 dual effects transcends all space and time because such effects are accumulating or WILL ACCUMULATE in space and time and don't need to manifest instantaneously!

Time or the lack thereof is not an argument against causality in electromagnetic philosophy/physics/theory because as aforementioned Nikola Tesla our greatest King of RF and sole proprietary founder of RF has proven that 'electrons' travel at INFINITE speeds. Speed limit of the cosmos is there is none!!! TIME AIN'T WORTH A SH*T. 1 second and 1 aeon are the same damn sh*t according to unbeatable RF science from Nikola Tesla!!!

Thank you and cheers :)

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2 years ago 02/01/2024 7:41am EST

re: RunLuppa

RunLuppa wrote:
Are British Records separate from European Records now? Josh Kerr has run 3:48:87 but the ER on screen is Eamonn Coughlan's 3:49:78.
I know they've left the EU but they're still a country in Europe and still compete in European Championships. Can someone explain?

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lists Kerr's record as "not ratified or later rescinded by European Athletics", without giving a reason.

Maybe they didn't have a proper doping control at the Boston University Last Chance Meet to be eligible for

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2 years ago 02/01/2024 7:54am EST

re: RunLuppa

RunLuppa wrote:
Are British Records separate from European Records now? Josh Kerr has run 3:48:87 but the ER on screen is Eamonn Coughlan's 3:49:78.
I know they've left the EU but they're still a country in Europe and still compete in European Championships. Can someone explain?

(For some reason, links in the prior post are broken, unlike in Preview.)

Wikipedia lists Kerr's record as "not ratified or later rescinded by European Athletics", without giving a reason.

Maybe they didn't have a proper doping control at the Boston University Last Chance Meet to be eligible for ratification?

2 years ago 02/01/2024 8:12am EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Katir is done as a 1500m/miler. I know he was pulled to a 3:28.9 by Jakob at Bislett last year, but apart from that, his performances have been underwhelming since his bronze at the World Championships in 2022. He'd be better off concentrating on the 5000.
He has a tough time in a championship setting because his change of gears/speed is lacking. That doesn’t play well in the rounds at all. Even in Oregon where he medaled, he was hundredths from being bounced in the rounds. On the circuit, he will be OK because the races are so fast. The championship 5,000 plays much better to his strengths. His best distance by time is probably 3,000, with his best championship distance being 5,000.
As far as this race, reminds me a little of Jakob running 3:32 last year while aiming for 3:30. Looks like he’s lacking some sharpness, and just died a bit. Nothing to really be alarmed by.

sure about that? review last summer's euro team championships 1500m.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 8:17am EST

re: Alex M.

Wierd. And Neil Gourley's too? He also ran faster then Coughlan.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 8:18am EST

re: Alex M.

Alex M. wrote:
RunLuppa wrote:
Are British Records separate from European Records now? Josh Kerr has run 3:48:87 but the ER on screen is Eamonn Coughlan's 3:49:78.
I know they've left the EU but they're still a country in Europe and still compete in European Championships. Can someone explain?
(For some reason, links in the prior post are broken, unlike in Preview.)
Wikipedia lists Kerr's record as "not ratified or later rescinded by European Athletics", without giving a reason.
Maybe they didn't have a proper doping control at the Boston University Last Chance Meet to be eligible for ratification?

I think they said that since Coghlan didnt need super shoes or pacers/lights way back in 82 to run 3:49, it wasnt going to count. The Chairman of the Boards wouldnt have let these modern yahoos pass him on the short track if they wanted to anyway.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 8:24am EST

re: RunLuppa

RunLuppa wrote:
Are British Records separate from European Records now? Josh Kerr has run 3:48:87 but the ER on screen is Eamonn Coughlan's 3:49:78.
I know they've left the EU but they're still a country in Europe and still compete in European Championships. Can someone explain?

I think that 3:49 was done on a 10 laps to the mile board track. I’m not kidding.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 9:40am EST

re: Katir 111

Katir 111 wrote:
Katir « only » opened with a 3:35 last year, at the same meet I believe.
He went on to run 7:23 later this season. I wouldn’t put too much into this 3:51

tend to agree besides the fact that he went after a record so he must have thought he was in better shape. one thing is a season opener where you just go out and race and run a mediocre time. another thing is announcing you are going for a record and then fall way short. that’s not a good sign. it’s not like 3.49 is an amazing time, specially not for a 3.28 guy.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 11:15am EST

re: sure 'bout that?

sure 'bout that? wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
He has a tough time in a championship setting because his change of gears/speed is lacking. That doesn’t play well in the rounds at all. Even in Oregon where he medaled, he was hundredths from being bounced in the rounds. On the circuit, he will be OK because the races are so fast. The championship 5,000 plays much better to his strengths. His best distance by time is probably 3,000, with his best championship distance being 5,000.
As far as this race, reminds me a little of Jakob running 3:32 last year while aiming for 3:30. Looks like he’s lacking some sharpness, and just died a bit. Nothing to really be alarmed by.
sure about that? review last summer's euro team championships 1500m.

He beat Issac Nadar, as well as Laros and Mills - the latter two who will likely both be running at least a couple of seconds faster this season than the shape they were in that day.

Apart from that he got beat in the Spanish championships, and came 10th in his semi at the Worlds.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 11:30am EST

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
sure 'bout that? wrote:
sure about that? review last summer's euro team championships 1500m.
He beat Issac Nadar, as well as Laros and Mills - the latter two who will likely both be running at least a couple of seconds faster this season than the shape they were in that day.
Apart from that he got beat in the Spanish championships, and came 10th in his semi at the Worlds.

Bipartisan consensus between me and Coevett on this one. He can win vs. a watered-down field and in fact I think his problem is more Championship rounds (vs. a loaded field) than a Championship final. He is good enough to advance pretty easily vs. European competition. The problem arises in World competition where everyone can close in 52-53 to run 3:34-3:37 and he doesn't have the change of gears, and maximal speed at the end. It's been the same thing with McSweyn of late, too.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 11:41am EST

re: those lights can kick

those lights can kick wrote:
do they set the lights exactly even, or do they set them at desired splits? It looked like the lights had a finishing kick there, though really Katir just slowed down.
If the lights had been set just a bit slower, and then kicked, that might have given Katir a better shot.
What if these lights got taken over by a hacker who messed with the pace? That would be hilarious to see

I'm pretty sure the lights are set to an even pace. I don't think they'd ever want the lights to be running at a slower pace and then kicking near the end as that defeats the purpose of having a pacer which is to keep an even pace. Maybe if it was purely a one man time trial and that guy specifically requested something like that.

Katir was just absolutely gassed the last 200m. You can see it in the field starting to catch him by the end too.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 11:46am EST

re: Hobby10k

Hobby10k wrote:
I'm pretty sure the lights are set to an even pace. I don't think they'd ever want the lights to be running at a slower pace and then kicking near the end as that defeats the purpose of having a pacer which is to keep an even pace. Maybe if it was purely a one man time trial and that guy specifically requested something like that.
Katir was just absolutely gassed the last 200m. You can see it in the field starting to catch him by the end too.

I think people underestimate the mile distance. If you go out a little over your head, the last 200 you are very exposed. In a 1500, you can hang on slightly better (see: Nader’s 3:34). But in the mile, being out in front for 600 meters it spells trouble if the lactic sets in early. So I wouldn’t overreact. He basically ran a 3:34 and it fell apart the last 109.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 12:10pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
He beat Issac Nadar, as well as Laros and Mills - the latter two who will likely both be running at least a couple of seconds faster this season than the shape they were in that day.
Apart from that he got beat in the Spanish championships, and came 10th in his semi at the Worlds.
Bipartisan consensus between me and Coevett on this one. He can win vs. a watered-down field and in fact I think his problem is more Championship rounds (vs. a loaded field) than a Championship final. He is good enough to advance pretty easily vs. European competition. The problem arises in World competition where everyone can close in 52-53 to run 3:34-3:37 and he doesn't have the change of gears, and maximal speed at the end. It's been the same thing with McSweyn of late, too.

not contesting whom he beat, rather how swiftly he ran his last lap and final 800m.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 12:40pm EST

re: sure 'bout that?

sure 'bout that? wrote:
not contesting whom he beat, rather how swiftly he ran his last lap and final 800m.

So he ran the last 800m in about 1:48.3 (last 400 in 53.4). Laros, in fact, ran the last 800m marginally faster. Both him and Nader ran a lot of extra distance the last 400. I was most impressed by Katir's tactics as he pretty much outfoxed the two guys and squeezed it better.
But at the World Semis you saw his exact problem in that he couldn't get the lead away from Kipsang or Nuguse, and then he didn't have the change of gears to either pass them for the pole from 300 to 150 or kick to improve his position in the last 50.

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2 years ago 02/01/2024 12:43pm EST

re: Moh Moh

It is just the beginning of the season, just wait.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 12:46pm EST

re: Ifrane

Ifrane wrote:
And people think Katir is dirty. GTFO looked like me when I subbed 4 1500 for first time.

This is like the 10th time katir has looked spent at the end of a race. The amount of comments implying this has never happened to him before is weird.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 12:53pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
He beat Issac Nadar, as well as Laros and Mills - the latter two who will likely both be running at least a couple of seconds faster this season than the shape they were in that day.
Apart from that he got beat in the Spanish championships, and came 10th in his semi at the Worlds.
Bipartisan consensus between me and Coevett on this one. He can win vs. a watered-down field and in fact I think his problem is more Championship rounds (vs. a loaded field) than a Championship final. He is good enough to advance pretty easily vs. European competition. The problem arises in World competition where everyone can close in 52-53 to run 3:34-3:37 and he doesn't have the change of gears, and maximal speed at the end. It's been the same thing with McSweyn of late, too.

But he does. At Euro Team Champs Katir closed a 3:37 in 53. That is the point you and Coevett are missing. He screwed up in Budapest, but the ability to close like that is not out of his wheelhouse. They ran 3:39 in the 3rd heat in Eugene and Katir still made it to the semis (and obviously went on to medal in the final).

2 years ago 02/01/2024 6:44pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Hobby10k wrote:
I'm pretty sure the lights are set to an even pace. I don't think they'd ever want the lights to be running at a slower pace and then kicking near the end as that defeats the purpose of having a pacer which is to keep an even pace. Maybe if it was purely a one man time trial and that guy specifically requested something like that.
Katir was just absolutely gassed the last 200m. You can see it in the field starting to catch him by the end too.
I think people underestimate the mile distance. If you go out a little over your head, the last 200 you are very exposed. In a 1500, you can hang on slightly better (see: Nader’s 3:34). But in the mile, being out in front for 600 meters it spells trouble if the lactic sets in early. So I wouldn’t overreact. He basically ran a 3:34 and it fell apart the last 109.

It was purely a one-man time trial.

I've seen lots of paced miles where they take lap one a bit quicker than lap 2, then cruise a bit for lap 3. It's the sensible thing to do. Energy systems use changes in each phase of the race.

If that light had gone slower enough for Katir not to blow up, he'd have gone quicker and maybe had that AR

2 years ago 02/01/2024 7:03pm EST

re: missing the point

missing the point wrote:
But he does. At Euro Team Champs Katir closed a 3:37 in 53. That is the point you and Coevett are missing. He screwed up in Budapest, but the ability to close like that is not out of his wheelhouse. They ran 3:39 in the 3rd heat in Eugene and Katir still made it to the semis (and obviously went on to medal in the final).

In Oregon he was clear of two guys who failed to advance by a mere hundredth and two hundredths. And they were also-rans in Verhayden and Sasinek.
He can close but he has a max speed (about 53) and he is anything but shifty. It makes him exceedingly vulnerable if he has to pass anyone in a slow race in the last lap or make a sudden move in the last 100.

2 years ago 02/01/2024 8:52pm EST

re: Ifrane

Ifrane wrote:
And people think Katir is dirty. GTFO looked like me when I subbed 4 1500 for first time.

Well… heard he has been training in Iran. If true, why would anyone go to Iran to train?

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