The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all? I hope Nico has made a breakthrough but I don’t see any evidence yet. But with more data we shall have a better idea.
Not just one race (even though one race is enough to indicate a breakthrough). He ran 7:37 with a monster kicker back in december (something he has never had) then doubled back an hour later in 13:22. It's going to be tight between him and Blanks for the first collegiate sub-13. Young may very well get it done this weekend.
Yeah well I don’t see a breakthrough yet. Nico ran 13:11 in 2022 so he may be in 13:05 shape but I am not sure I would call that a breakthrough for someone who is 21 years old, as much as gradual improvement, which is harder to come by as one gets faster, and therefore is indeed to be applauded but not exaggerated.
Nico Young is not a miler. If Kessler cannot beat him at a mile, God help him. Kessler needs to get his own shop in order. Had a mediocre year last year. Hopefully he improves. If not, he's gonna have big problems with real milers once again. Certainly a talented guy.
Nico Young is a 3k/5k guy. Has already won in 7:37 in December. This 3:57.33 at 7000 feet is very impressive. He could probably go 3:52.0 running out of his event.
You don’t believe that Young is potentially better at 10000m, than he is at 3000? If he’s ever going to make an Olympic team, it’s going to be in the marathon.
I'm not saying that. He may well be a great 10K guy at some point. I was saying that he is in no way a miler. This should be obvious. This race at 7000 feet is very nice for a guy moving down. Right now he seems ready to run a very nice 3k/5k.
Nico Young is not a miler. If Kessler cannot beat him at a mile, God help him. Kessler needs to get his own shop in order. Had a mediocre year last year. Hopefully he improves. If not, he's gonna have big problems with real milers once again. Certainly a talented guy.
Nico Young is a 3k/5k guy. Has already won in 7:37 in December. This 3:57.33 at 7000 feet is very impressive. He could probably go 3:52.0 running out of his event.
You don’t believe that Young is potentially better at 10000m, than he is at 3000? If he’s ever going to make an Olympic team, it’s going to be in the marathon.
As for the marathon, I'm not a fan of the event and would hope Young finds plenty of success on the track. I can see him making a US team at 10k, but you never know. Lots of fast guys out there.
Obviously Nico Young’s never been seen as a 1500/miler, but the dude ran 3:37 when he was a teenager. Then he runs a 3:57 at altitude and, conversions aside, he beat a 3:38 and a 3:39 guy by six seconds. This all hints that he could be a formidable 1500-5k guy.
He’s seen as having not a lot of top end speed, but Jakob and Nordas have shown that with incredible aerobic endurance you don’t necessarily need 1:45 speed to be a great miler/5k guy. I could see Nico running a 3:29 1500m and 12:50 5k like Katir in a few years.
He’s still going to need faster than 1:52 speed.
He ran 1:54 in Flag 2 years ago and somewhere it was said that was a 1:51 conversion. I guess that since it was 2 years ago he was not as fully adapted as he is today to 7000 ft. I don't know of any 3:57 miles that cannot run 1:52 let alone at 7000 ft.
He ran 1:54 in Flag 2 years ago and somewhere it was said that was a 1:51 conversion. I guess that since it was 2 years ago he was not as fully adapted as he is today to 7000 ft. I don't know of any 3:57 miles that cannot run 1:52 let alone at 7000 ft.
And another thing....he just destroyed Sahlman by 6s whom has run 1:46. Do you honestly think Colin Sahlman is 6s faster in the 800 than Nico at this present moment? Do you think Sahlman could even beat Nico in an 800 right now? Nico is a 1:48 guy if not faster.
He ran 1:54 in Flag 2 years ago and somewhere it was said that was a 1:51 conversion. I guess that since it was 2 years ago he was not as fully adapted as he is today to 7000 ft. I don't know of any 3:57 miles that cannot run 1:52 let alone at 7000 ft.
And another thing....he just destroyed Sahlman by 6s whom has run 1:46. Do you honestly think Colin Sahlman is 6s faster in the 800 than Nico at this present moment? Do you think Sahlman could even beat Nico in an 800 right now? Nico is a 1:48 guy if not faster.
Colin Sahlman would defeat Nico Young at 800m. You do understand that Nico would likely lap Colin in an indoor 5000m currently, which doesn’t tell us much about 800m.
And another thing....he just destroyed Sahlman by 6s whom has run 1:46. Do you honestly think Colin Sahlman is 6s faster in the 800 than Nico at this present moment? Do you think Sahlman could even beat Nico in an 800 right now? Nico is a 1:48 guy if not faster.
Colin Sahlman would defeat Nico Young at 800m. You do understand that Nico would likely lap Colin in an indoor 5000m currently, which doesn’t tell us much about 800m.
Scroll up...this was in reference to whether Nico could go under 1:52 in an 800. And even if Sahlman beats him in an 800...it's not gonna be by no 6s. Nico's performance on Friday tells us something about his 800 possibilities and it's clearly under 1:52. I am curious how fast Sahlman runs a 5000 indoors or outdoors if he were to get a few more races to prepare for it vs. running it so infrequently. He could stay with :31 if it were the focus.
He ran 1:54 in Flag 2 years ago and somewhere it was said that was a 1:51 conversion. I guess that since it was 2 years ago he was not as fully adapted as he is today to 7000 ft. I don't know of any 3:57 miles that cannot run 1:52 let alone at 7000 ft.
And another thing....he just destroyed Sahlman by 6s whom has run 1:46. Do you honestly think Colin Sahlman is 6s faster in the 800 than Nico at this present moment? Do you think Sahlman could even beat Nico in an 800 right now? Nico is a 1:48 guy if not faster.
1:48 is probably faster than Fisher, Klecker or Kincaid can run.
Colin Sahlman would defeat Nico Young at 800m. You do understand that Nico would likely lap Colin in an indoor 5000m currently, which doesn’t tell us much about 800m.
Scroll up...this was in reference to whether Nico could go under 1:52 in an 800. And even if Sahlman beats him in an 800...it's not gonna be by no 6s. Nico's performance on Friday tells us something about his 800 possibilities and it's clearly under 1:52. I am curious how fast Sahlman runs a 5000 indoors or outdoors if he were to get a few more races to prepare for it vs. running it so infrequently. He could stay with :31 if it were the focus.
Well either way Nico will never run 1:48. He doesn’t have those kind of wheels but yes he can run faster than 1:52, probably like 1:50xx. Nico probably would not finish within 2 seconds of Colin in an open 400m.
He can definitely be a 1500-5k runner but he is very good at 10k as well, all around great range. Curious what events he will focus on as a pro next year
Really? This sounds like something I would say and then JWH would come in and call me regarded. I want to disagree with you, but I mean, if Nordas can go from 3:36 to 3:29, Nico could go from 3:37 at age 19 to 3:29. If anyone was gonna do it, I'd trust Ritz, but if anyone else was gonna do it, I'd trust Mike Smith.
Last year, OAC had 6 guys under 4 (1600) in Boulder with 2:02/1:55 splits. Olli, who had lived at altitude for 2.5 years, ran 3:50i before getting injured. Mario ran 3:29/3:47, and Nuguse ran 3:47i/3:29/3:43. Nico did it 2k ft higher, for a full mile, and was 6s ahead of 2nd place (OAC had Robby Andrews pacing, idk what Nico had). Either Nico is peaking super early (Mike Smith would never), or he's gonna have a season for the ages.
The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all?
because a 3:57 at 6900 feet altitude is the equivalent of a low 350s mile at sea level, which is extraordinary. The OP's point is that Young is thought of as a long distance runner, but he may be better suited to the 1500/3000/5000 than the 10000. Citing Young's lackluster performance at the NCAA Cross Country championships doesn't rebut the OP's point. It actually reinforces it.
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The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all?
because a 3:57 at 6900 feet altitude is the equivalent of a low 350s mile at sea level, which is extraordinary. The OP's point is that Young may be better suited to the 1500/mile than the 10000. Citing the NCAA Cross Country championships doesn't rebut the OP's point. It actually reinforces it.
And it is a terrible take. Just awful. Nico has no chance to be a 3:50 miler. It will never happen unless it is a very downhill road mile.
The thing that I cannot understand is why one race is causing so many to overreact. What about finishing 26.5 seconds behind Graham Blanks in a 10000m at NCAA Cross Country 2 months ago? Does that race matter at all?
because a 3:57 at 6900 feet altitude is the equivalent of a low 350s mile at sea level, which is extraordinary. The OP's point is that Young is thought of as a long distance runner, but he may be better suited to the 1500/3000/5000 than the 10000. Citing Young's lackluster performance at the NCAA Cross Country championships doesn't rebut the OP's point. It actually reinforces it.
According to the NCAA formula Abel Kipsang's 3:31 at Nairobi would be faster than el Guerrouj
It doesn't affect people living at altitude as much
Farah ran 3:28 and was a 5k/10k guy, Nico is in the right place
Unlike Farah, Nico hasn’t been winning championships with a big kick. The 7:37 and the 3:57 at altitude, indicate Nico is at the top of his game and ready for big success at 5/10K.
Mo acquired the gear shift needed to dominate 5 and 10k for seven years but he always had the same tactical instincts, just not the fitness to make use of them. Nico has the engine but not the raw speed and gear shift. He is likely in 1:49-50 shape now, to be able to run a potential low 3:50s mile, and can close quickly but I bet he cannot match a sudden acceleration like we have seen from Nur, Hocker, and Kincaid, as well as some current college guys.
Kessler has not yet turned 21 he ran 7:39 in no man's land at BU
He has run 3:32.x and 1:45.x
He will or would crush this guy at any distance up thru 5K in about a year
Maybe….but you have a man crush on Kessler. So it is difficult to know what to make of your opinions.
You don't know the difference between a "man crush" and knowing and respecting what a runner can do. King via Ron Warhurst knows Kessler's potential. He also knows that a 21 year old 800/1500 guy with 1:45/3:32 chops, who ran 7:39 at 20 (3:34 at 18), is an all-world talent and this might just be the year where he really breaks out.
Maybe….but you have a man crush on Kessler. So it is difficult to know what to make of your opinions.
You don't know the difference between a "man crush" and knowing and respecting what a runner can do. King via Ron Warhurst knows Kessler's potential. He also knows that a 21 year old 800/1500 guy with 1:45/3:32 chops, who ran 7:39 at 20 (3:34 at 18), is an all-world talent and this might just be the year where he really breaks out.
By man crush I mean he is so fond of Kessler that his objectivity is lost. This is obvious to the intelligent. Kessler is a very good young runner. Anyone can see that. But then the hyperbole comes due to the man crush.
Nah it’s overrated. Nuguse, Hoare, Klecker all ran 3:57 in practice at altitude. Let’s be honest, no elite miler has any interest coming to NAU to run a mile.
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