Ky Robinson 4:00.50, Sprout 4:03.48, Young brothers 4:06.37, 4:07.65 at Washington indoor meet

To be clear, Nico didn't even race until February of his freshman year, was 4th at XC 6 weeks later in March, and ran 13:24 a month after that. Colin Sahlman's best mile last year was 4:03. He didn't start running well until April, but he ended up running 1:46/3:38, and I think was the fastest true freshman in both events until NCAAs. Ky Robinson ran 13:06 a month ago, and he was well off his best yesterday, but he still doubled. That makes me think they aren't supposed to be in PR shape right now, and they'll run a lot faster in a few weeks. Time will tell, but I'd bet $100 that I'm right.

Exactly. All these doofuses that think they should be running 3:55 first meet after break should just relax and check back after the second week of February. And so what if they aren't running that fast then either? Jr./Sr. year is where it's at. Fully adapted to school, training and racing flow for the big meets. They aren't Pro athletes yet. They can always drop out when/if the time comes if they want to though.

This was not a key meet for Stanford, it was just after xmas break, and the temperature was too low outside to risk going super hard inside, so I have no worries whatsoever. Note that they took races easy early in xc season as well. They are trying to peak at the end of the season, which Hicks and Robinson have certainly done over the past year and a half, though I can't necessarily say that about too many other Stanford runners. The xc men did get a lot faster from mid-season to regionals.

The 2022 indoor Newbury Park 4xMile would beat this Standard 4xMile

Just throwing this out there, but....They've been in college for what...4 months? Something tells me neither they, nor their coaches, are that concerned about their performances in year 1 and year 2 - they are looking down the road a bit. Let's put some context in here: if they were one year younger (seniors in HS), these would be the #1 and #3 mile times this year and the #1 and #2 1000m times....run as doubles in the same meet.

Posted the following on another related thread and is most appropriate here:

You are correct re: xmas break, xc, etc.

However . . . worthwhile noting that at the UW Indoor Preview last year, Stanford results in the mile were as follow: Ky winning in 3:55, Cole second in 3:56, Thomas Boyden third in 3:57,
Unfortunately, a few weeks later, Cole & Thomas got injured . . . Cole didn't return until mid-outdoors . . . while Thomas didn't return at all.

Lester, in the meantime, ran a 1:46/800 SR and made it to NCAAs but not the finals . . . then got injured and did not compete outdoor.

Hicks and Robinson both made it to NCAA indoors . . . but ran well below their expectations.

Mentioned all this because, last year indoors, appears Santos did have them doing more

From what has been mentioned in various articles and podcasts, changes began last October following the Nuttycombe Invite . . . apparently the team & Santos had a "Come to Jesus" meeting regarding their recent terrible team races . . . resulting in training program changes which led to a Pac-12 championship and a decent 8th place finish at NCAAs.

So, yes, training has changed for the men's distance program . . . UW Indoor Preview results yesterday were pretty much what would be expected from these athletes racing just six days following winter break.

We should be seeing results more in line with their abilities in a couple weeks at the BU John Thomas Terrier Classic . . .

You’re getting downvoted by God knows who but you’re right. I’ve spent a lifetime seeing runners who want run the race be put in the slow heat so elite guys can jog a workout. I’d be in favor of each meet setting up a “workout heat” in long distance events so the people want to run for real can do so, even if they’re from Eastern Washington Technical Community College or whatever and the workout guys are from Stanford. At some point it’s worth it to respect the integrity of the competition. I know they don’t do that though, because if Washington makes Stanford guys do their workout outside the elite heats, Stanford will act all offended and refuse to let Washington come to *their* meet later on.

Just to put my complaint in context, I’ve been to a meet in Virginia before where they stuck all the D3 and midmajor guys in a slow 5k heat and let all the big school guys run the “fast” heat, even though 75 percent dropped out at 3k and only like four guys ran the complete distance. The upper 75 percent of the “slow” heat should have been in that race while the elite guys could have screwed around for 3k in the slow heat just as easily.

You literally answered your own question, it's early.

Early indoor season

and a major bummer for fans as well. We can watch workout wednesday type shenanigans on flo. Travel costs time and money.

I agree. Hopefully the Young twins will do well in outdoor track. I think Nico is more talented. I also think Lex & Leo should've competed in the California state track meet last year. You never regret being a state champ. Especially when becoming a champion at the national or NCAA level is a helluva lot more difficult. Also, great high school runners often see their progress tail off in college, due to many factors. They shouldn't have assumed that future greatness was automatically going to happen, simply because of success at Newbury Park.

2 Leo Young Stanford
4:04.87

3 Thomas Boyden Stanford
4:07.47

4 Lex Young Stanford
4:07.65

8 Callum Sherry Stanford
4:14.00

This again isn't good. Lex ran the exact same time to the hundredths of a second, while Leo improved by 1.5. Better but with the pedigree they had (13:34 5k is 4:22 per mile) they need to be better.