Streaming is the explanation I keep hearing. My opinion is too many schools ignored their sports program, riding the profitable coattails of USC and Oregon. Cal, Stanford, Ari, ASU, Cu, OrSt, and WSU brought little revenue and didn’t try to.
The p12 admin failed Cal also. 2 years ago they couldn’t get a tv deal, making all members nervous. P12 proposed a streaming on-demand format where fans would pay to stream only games they wanted. This had never been done before. Cal for example wanted to know how much money exactly they would receive to which the p12 said “however much is streamed.” Nobody liked that answer and schools starting with USC and UCLA looked not just for more $ in the big10 but also for more certainty in their finances.
The current ACC media deal is pretty amazing… The majority of those schools should not be making the same money as SEC and Big Ten schools anyway so locked in 40+ million dollars a year for a really long time for a group of very good academic schools with huge endowments is totally reasonable! Unfortunately for Cal, they are not getting a huge cut of that money. The money they get will barely cover travel.
The problem with acc deal (like the Max Siegel deal) is it's too long going out to 2036. In a market that's changing every 15 minutes, the last thing you want is to be locked in at too low of a price.
Most athletes think travel is cool and don't worry about the academic challenges til hit in the face. I don't think it will effect cal recruiting much. That said they still may have trouble competing in some sports.
PAC hoops had mostly fr/sun games in league to minimize travel.
What possibly can happen in team sports are a series of weekend tournaments to allow say 4 schools to all play each other over a 3 day weekend in Vegas. Leagues may also invest in shares of Net jets etc to allow for a lot of cost effective charts. Fortunately running is easy as there is only the league meets.
The current ACC media deal is pretty amazing… The majority of those schools should not be making the same money as SEC and Big Ten schools anyway so locked in 40+ million dollars a year for a really long time for a group of very good academic schools with huge endowments is totally reasonable! Unfortunately for Cal, they are not getting a huge cut of that money. The money they get will barely cover travel.
The problem with acc deal (like the Max Siegel deal) is it's too long going out to 2036. In a market that's changing every 15 minutes, the last thing you want is to be locked in at too low of a price.
Most athletes think travel is cool and don't worry about the academic challenges til hit in the face. I don't think it will effect cal recruiting much. That said they still may have trouble competing in some sports.
PAC hoops had mostly fr/sun games in league to minimize travel.
What possibly can happen in team sports are a series of weekend tournaments to allow say 4 schools to all play each other over a 3 day weekend in Vegas. Leagues may also invest in shares of Net jets etc to allow for a lot of cost effective charts. Fortunately running is easy as there is only the league meets.
I see your point but for the majority of the acc I think long term guarantee money is better than the possibility of getting more money later… I am also positive that the acc will not be doing any special schedules to accommodate cal and Stanford… they will obviously make it so when one of the real acc teams travel to the west coast they play both teams so only one wack travel trip per year per team and that is relatively reasonable… no worse than a school having to fly LA to Seattle connect to Spokane and then drive to Pullman.
The problem with acc deal (like the Max Siegel deal) is it's too long going out to 2036. In a market that's changing every 15 minutes, the last thing you want is to be locked in at too low of a price.
Most athletes think travel is cool and don't worry about the academic challenges til hit in the face. I don't think it will effect cal recruiting much. That said they still may have trouble competing in some sports.
PAC hoops had mostly fr/sun games in league to minimize travel.
What possibly can happen in team sports are a series of weekend tournaments to allow say 4 schools to all play each other over a 3 day weekend in Vegas. Leagues may also invest in shares of Net jets etc to allow for a lot of cost effective charts. Fortunately running is easy as there is only the league meets.
Your comment about changing every 15 minutes is true. The acc tv deal with $hungry ESPN was 9 yrs ago. College FB is riding the nfl explosion in ratings and ESPN wouldnt renegotiate the contract. NIL didn’t exists 9 yrs ago. Transfer portal didn’t exist 9 yrs ago. 7 of the 16 schools want out because of ESPN. And Cal - knowing 7 schools hate the acc - thought this is a good deal and at 30% revenue share. It will absolutely affect recruiting.
Your comment about changing every 15 minutes is true. The acc tv deal with $hungry ESPN was 9 yrs ago. College FB is riding the nfl explosion in ratings and ESPN wouldnt renegotiate the contract. NIL didn’t exists 9 yrs ago. Transfer portal didn’t exist 9 yrs ago. 7 of the 16 schools want out because of ESPN. And Cal - knowing 7 schools hate the acc - thought this is a good deal and at 30% revenue share. It will absolutely affect recruiting.
Good point, and thanks for financial details. Perhaps the lack of funding will hurt recruiting. I was only claiming that travel won't hurt, especially in running. Kids that pick Stanford and Cal are picking for the academic/athletic mix. That really won't change.
I can't see kids choosing Notre Dame, Duke, Michigan, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern over the two CA schools. God forbid they'd pick UC Davis, Gonzaga, Pomona, Occidental just to avoid travel (or money?). They already compete with UCLA for the same kids.
I'm as actually curious now, who will they now lose to in recruiting in which type of sports?
At the end of the day, no one really wanted Cal. They don't generate any TV interest outside of their alumni and they don't seem that interested. They were able to tag along with Stanford. Notre Dame - once again - manipulated the ACC for their own interest. Stanford is a logical rival for Notre Dame. Cal provides a second opponent for west coast trips. The addition of Stanford will be factor for the 'other' sports. Florida State keeps fussing, but the real issue for the ACC is that Notre Dame needs to either be in for football or be out totally. Florida State want out of the ACC, but their problem is that no one - especially the SEC - has invited them to join.
At the end of the day, no one really wanted Cal. They don't generate any TV interest outside of their alumni and they don't seem that interested. They were able to tag along with Stanford. Notre Dame - once again - manipulated the ACC for their own interest. Stanford is a logical rival for Notre Dame. Cal provides a second opponent for west coast trips. The addition of Stanford will be factor for the 'other' sports. Florida State keeps fussing, but the real issue for the ACC is that Notre Dame needs to either be in for football or be out totally. Florida State want out of the ACC, but their problem is that no one - especially the SEC - has invited them to join.
What would be amazing is if osu/wsu just cut their losses, drop to fcs football (or just affiliate into mwc like Hawaii) and create/merge or whatever a legit pac12 basketball conference… convince Creighton to join (wcc affiliate member right now)… having a 10-16 team hoop centric conference with 200+ million in the bank could definitely make some waves!
What would be amazing is if osu/wsu just cut their losses, drop to fcs football (or just affiliate into mwc like Hawaii) and create/merge or whatever a legit pac12 basketball conference… convince Creighton to join (wcc affiliate member right now)… having a 10-16 team hoop centric conference with 200+ million in the bank could definitely make some waves!
If it's basketball why not invite Creighton to the WCC? Would OSU/WSU forfeit the $200m? But basketball recruits would still goto the big12 the new top BB conf starting next year.
What would be amazing is if osu/wsu just cut their losses, drop to fcs football (or just affiliate into mwc like Hawaii) and create/merge or whatever a legit pac12 basketball conference… convince Creighton to join (wcc affiliate member right now)… having a 10-16 team hoop centric conference with 200+ million in the bank could definitely make some waves!
If it's basketball why not invite Creighton to the WCC? Would OSU/WSU forfeit the $200m? But basketball recruits would still goto the big12 the new top BB conf starting next year.
Osu/wsu need to rebuild the “pac12” to keep the money, so yes I think they could rebrand the wcc and hopefully add Creighton or another good school then if the pac12/wcc or whatever has osu/wsu (they need to focus on hoops and just let football do whatever, like UConn) Gonzaga, Saint Mary’s, USF, Creighton and the others the conference would be a legit hoop destination (especially stating with a huge bankroll). This could be the west coast version of the big east! A chance for stability and if osu/wsu focus on hoops no reason they can’t succeed (just like Gonzaga).
The legendary Top 4 Olympics Quad (Cal, Stan, SC, and UCLA) schools only care about Olympic Medals. Nothing else matters. The schools are at least 1/2 from So Cal area. Hollywood entertainment execs are stacked with Cal, Stan, SC, UCLA alums plus Pepperdine.
In 2025, Fox/ESPN will realign D1 to a flat, single league, geographic region divisions the same as the NBA has. The legacy athletics conferences will be closed down. Hope this helps.
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