Over FIFTY more Kenyans BUSTED!

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

The main reason for Kenyan success is not doping, anyone who follows athletics just a little bit knows this.

Your only alternative ('natural born running genes') is just one of many reasons for their success. Those reasons are well known since decades: hard training, running since childhood, nutrition, easy lifestyle, altitude, tradition, financial incentives and so on.

So all that doping they do isn't helping them?

6669666 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So all that doping they do isn't helping them?

Depends definitely on the training of the athlete in question. It might help some athletes more than others or even it might not help some at all?

Why doesn't it help many other countries?

6669666 wrote:

trollism wrote:

I disagree.

East African countries went from being strong distance running nations to completely dominant pretty much at the time EPO became available. Particularly as they had full support of Lamine Diack, who saw the sport as not being fair on Africans and had a strong interest in 'levelling the playing field'.

Nobody is saying they wouldn't be successful if doping was never a thing, they probably still would have been the strongest nations. Just not at the ridiculous level of dominance that they have enjoyed for the last 20-25 years.

Look at practically any men's distance race in the last 50 years (last 30 for the Marathon): you will see some Kenyans running at or near the top.

Are Russians doping? Absolutely no improvement in men's distance running since decades (one exception in Borzakovsky).

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

Depends definitely on the training of the athlete in question. It might help some athletes more than others or even it might not help some at all?

Why doesn't it help many other countries?

Because other countries don't dope for breakfast, as Kenyans do.

6669666 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Because other countries don't dope for breakfast, as Kenyans do.

So, better, more advanced, doping in Kenya than in the rest of the world? What a nonsense.

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

Look at practically any men's distance race in the last 50 years (last 30 for the Marathon): you will see some Kenyans running at or near the top.

Are Russians doping? Absolutely no improvement in men's distance running since decades (one exception in Borzakovsky).

Russian men don't appear to have focused on distance running for decades. But they are involved in many more sports than the Kenyans, who are unknown outside distance running.

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

So, better, more advanced, doping in Kenya than in the rest of the world? What a nonsense.

I didn't say more advanced. I said more of it.

6669666 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Russian men don't appear to have focused on distance running for decades. But they are involved in many more sports than the Kenyans, who are unknown outside distance running.

OK, Russians are just not interested. But if they were, they would improve the 5000m record from 13:11.99 (1981) and 13:11.95 (current) to 12:40 soon. They are just not interested to do so.

Got it, Armstronglivs.

6669666 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I didn't say more advanced. I said more of it.

The more, the better?

Coevett wrote:

If it was announced that fifty Brits had been busted, EVERYBODY would any injured Brit had been busted.

There was a Kenyan just a month or two ago who pulled out of a big road race because of 'injruy' and then it was revealed she had been busted. Pulling out of the New York marathon because you get injured in your last training session is a bit suspicious when fifty Kenyan marathoners and road runners are about to be revealed as having been suspended.

Stop playing the race card.

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

OK, Russians are just not interested. But if they were, they would improve the 5000m record from 13:11.99 (1981) and 13:11.95 (current) to 12:40 soon. They are just not interested to do so.

Got it, Armstronglivs.

You appear unaware that not all countries and their athletes focus on the same sports. But what you are suggesting is that doping doesn't help Kenyan athletes because Russian distance runners have shown they haven't improved if they have doped. Kenyans must be awfully dumb then - to dope in such numbers and get busted when it doesn't actually help them.

6669666 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You appear unaware that not all countries and their athletes focus on the same sports. But what you are suggesting is that doping doesn't help Kenyan athletes because Russian distance runners have shown they haven't improved if they have doped. Kenyans must be awfully dumb then - to dope in such numbers and get busted when it doesn't actually help them.

And you are suggesting that Kenyans are fast only because many (which proportion?) dope.

Armstronglivs wrote:

6669666 wrote:

And you are suggesting that Kenyans are fast only because many (which proportion?) dope.

No. I'm suggesting Kenyans are a bunch of cheaters. I don't give a sh*t how much faster or not they ran - they are amongst the worst dopers in the sport. Your points are the usual doping apologist deflections.

Yocie wrote:

Coevett you don’t want clean sport. You want white sport. Shame on you.

Amazing this site has tolerated your racism.

6669666 wrote:

OK, Russians are just not interested. But if they were, they would improve the 5000m record from 13:11.99 (1981) and 13:11.95 (current) to 12:40 soon. They are just not interested to do so.

Got it, Armstronglivs.