People have no idea how mediocre this is. Probably about 1/2 of 2:10 marathoners could beat this with a few 3 hour training runs in their regular program. That said, good for him.
If he ran 20 secs/mile faster, it's a big deal. This is just meh.
You don't think he's going get a good sponsorship from this run? Something like this is probably worth more now than doing a 2:10 marathon to sponsors.
Nope
Congrats on letting us know that you're out of touch.
Running is not an easy sport and a sub 5hour 50 miler is not something any 2:10 marathoner can do. This runner is 1 in a 100 million and so is Walmsley. Also keep in mind there are some 400 high hurdles that can Crack a 4 minute mile that does not mean they can run a sub 30 10,000m.
Look, I hope you’re okay and best of luck in your recovery. However, your emotional call doesn’t mean you’re correct. Neither do your false equivalencies. 400H to 10K is not a relevant comparison here. Most 2:10 guys, if not all, are beating this.
Congrats on letting us know that you're out of touch.
Out of touch or just realistic?
Put enough money up and the East Africans are beating this by 30 minutes in a blip
A Kenyan has never won comrades despite many sub 2:10 Kenyans starting comrades. So what makes you think they could magically start crushing it at the 50 mile distance if you put enough money in it? Guess what there's a ton of money in the ultra world now and Kenyans are still absent from it. And there have been many attempts to get some of them into the sport. The isn't a simple correlation of 10k time should equal to x time in the marathon.
A Kenyan has never won comrades despite many sub 2:10 Kenyans starting comrades. So what makes you think they could magically start crushing it at the 50 mile distance if you put enough money in it? Guess what there's a ton of money in the ultra world now and Kenyans are still absent from it. And there have been many attempts to get some of them into the sport. The isn't a simple correlation of 10k time should equal to x time in the marathon.
Comrades is a poor comp as well. The point is, none of these are doing it in their prime. This guy is. The ultra circuit is suboptimal across the board
Yeah, I agree. 10k and Marathon are deeply different. However, marathon to 50M maintains all of the same principles, it’s just drawn out.
it’s shocking how sensitive Ultra people are about ultras
I don't underestimate these long distance records. When you have tried some of these, you realize that the probability that something goes wrong grows exponentially and the opportunities to try are few and far between. You know...e.g., an unfortunate bout of diarrhea along the way and you re out. Or a painful knee. Or a cramp. On longer distances, this kind of stuff happens so easily.
I don't underestimate these long distance records. When you have tried some of these, you realize that the probability that something goes wrong grows exponentially and the opportunities to try are few and far between. You know...e.g., an unfortunate bout of diarrhea along the way and you re out. Or a painful knee. Or a cramp. On longer distances, this kind of stuff happens so easily.
205 guys are still out there being 205 guys
correct on probability of things going wrong though
I don't underestimate these long distance records. When you have tried some of these, you realize that the probability that something goes wrong grows exponentially and the opportunities to try are few and far between. You know...e.g., an unfortunate bout of diarrhea along the way and you re out. Or a painful knee. Or a cramp. On longer distances, this kind of stuff happens so easily.
Of course. That is part of the reason these records are so weak. Not a ton of attempts for things to line up. Find a way to get a dozen 2:05 guys to run 2 of these a year for a decade and I don’t think any of us would be surprised if the record was 20 mins faster. But that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
I definitely don’t think you can pick some random 2:05 guy and expect to break the record. Some just will not handle the added distance. But given a dozen of them, some will find out that running at an easy pace for a long time is something they are good at.
People have no idea how mediocre this is. Probably about 1/2 of 2:10 marathoners could beat this with a few 3 hour training runs in their regular program. That said, good for him.
They should try it then.
Metabolically, a 50-mile race differs significantly from a marathon. Elite marathoners can effectively rely on glycogen as their primary energy source, thanks to carbohydrate loading and strategic in-race fueling.
However, this approach is not feasible for a 50-mile race.
Success in such ultra-marathons hinges on a runner's ability to efficiently oxidize fat.
Being able to run a marathon in 2:10 doesn't necessarily translate into the ability to set world records in 50 or 100-mile races, as these longer distances demand a different metabolic proficiency.
This distinction is somewhat analogous to how the 400 meters and the 1500 meters differ metabolically.
Meanwhile, in Ethiopia, Bekele says, "someone my bear, wait no this should be easy, I'll sip it along the way".
Meanwhile in South Africa they are still waiting for some good Kenians or Ethiopians being successful at the Comrades Marathon, the oldest ultramarathon in the world by the way.
The Comrades Marathon is an ultramarathon of approximately 88 kilometres (55 mi) which is run annually in the KwaZulu-Natal province of South Africa between the cities of Durban and Pietermaritzburg. It is the world's largest...
Metabolically, a 50-mile race differs significantly from a marathon. Elite marathoners can effectively rely on glycogen as their primary energy source, thanks to carbohydrate loading and strategic in-race fueling.
However, this approach is not feasible for a 50-mile race.
Success in such ultra-marathons hinges on a runner's ability to efficiently oxidize fat.
Being able to run a marathon in 2:10 doesn't necessarily translate into the ability to set world records in 50 or 100-mile races, as these longer distances demand a different metabolic proficiency.
This distinction is somewhat analogous to how the 400 meters and the 1500 meters differ metabolically.
More like say a 5k guy running the marathon with amount of overlap in all the basic things like aerobic efficiency and general running efficiency. I wouldn’t want to bet that someone can’t run 60s slower than mp for 50 miles….
There was $3000 for course record in the 50 and close to $10,000 in the 100, not a bad pay day for days work. So all those that think it’s so easy, you got a year to train for it.
There was $3000 for course record in the 50 and close to $10,000 in the 100, not a bad pay day for days work. So all those that think it’s so easy, you got a year to train for it.
So if you win one every other weekend, you still don’t make 100k/year? Need to add a zero to those numbers…
Metabolically, a 50-mile race differs significantly from a marathon. Elite marathoners can effectively rely on glycogen as their primary energy source, thanks to carbohydrate loading and strategic in-race fueling.
However, this approach is not feasible for a 50-mile race.
Success in such ultra-marathons hinges on a runner's ability to efficiently oxidize fat.
Being able to run a marathon in 2:10 doesn't necessarily translate into the ability to set world records in 50 or 100-mile races, as these longer distances demand a different metabolic proficiency.
This distinction is somewhat analogous to how the 400 meters and the 1500 meters differ metabolically.
More like say a 5k guy running the marathon with amount of overlap in all the basic things like aerobic efficiency and general running efficiency. I wouldn’t want to bet that someone can’t run 60s slower than mp for 50 miles….
Top individuals should be able to run about as fast as the top triathletes do at the end of an Ironman as they are metabolically limited too. So 2:30ish marathon pace.
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