Werner was a top runner at Arkansas who unfortunately joined Puma when she would have been perfect for BTC -- before the Shelby nonsense. If you follow running, you know who she is. This isn't some obscure athlete who came out of nowhere.
I'm not saying winning a medal at Panam is some big deal. But she's far more well-known that say a Kasey Knevelbaard, who got his own thread.
And run a 2:28? There are a lot of marathon women who would put up something better than a 16:09 no matter what time of year the race was run. I don't have a problem with her initial post, but I do agree you shouldn't accept a Team USA slot if you know you're not ready to perform at a reasonable level.
You misunderstood the post as did your lackeys. It would be a good career move and has nothing to do with anything she said.
Infeld is obviously faster than 16:09. She ran 14:50 last May and she's also run 31:08 for 10000. Her low knee lift, shuffle like stride is suited quite well for the marathon. Her track credentials are better than Seidel's who has run 2:23 and has an Olympic Bronze so I think she's has much more upside than the 2:28 you just arbitrarily pulled out of your butt.
I don't mean to start a whole thread cracking on Infeld, I was just curious to get others' opinions. I saw her IG post the other day about competing at the PANAM Games 5000m.
I am fully aware that this is not the highest level of competition, but in her post she says "Fall is base building season so figured I might as well throw in a track 5K".
The thing that rubs me the wrong way about this is 1) it's clearly sandbagging for any poor result so she can say "oh well I wasn't fully fit", but also 2) it feels very disrespectful to representing your country if you go into an international event, unfit, sandbagging and clearly not prioritising the event, thus taking the opportunity away from someone else who might take it more seriously.
There are US women qualifying for OLY Marathons and willing to pay for themselves to get there and USATF aren't sending them, and now when USATF selects a team for a games, one of the athletes throws out some message beforehand about not being ready and just mixing it into base building? Really disappointed tbh. [Result - she came 4th in 16:09 and in her post-race IG post offered 4x excuses]
The old, oft-injured Emily would probably gone balls out in this race and end up out of commission by Feb. She knows she's older and can't be on fire in November in an upcoming Olympic year.
Some events didn't even have the full USA roster, so I'm not sure they could have filled her space if Emily declined.
Werner was a top runner at Arkansas who unfortunately joined Puma when she would have been perfect for BTC -- before the Shelby nonsense. If you follow running, you know who she is. This isn't some obscure athlete who came out of nowhere.
I'm not saying winning a medal at Panam is some big deal. But she's far more well-known that say a Kasey Knevelbaard, who got his own thread.
Well, going by how no one on LRC is trolling Werner, she is indeed "some obscure athlete".
And run a 2:28? There are a lot of marathon women who would put up something better than a 16:09 no matter what time of year the race was run. I don't have a problem with her initial post, but I do agree you shouldn't accept a Team USA slot if you know you're not ready to perform at a reasonable level.
You misunderstood the post as did your lackeys. It would be a good career move and has nothing to do with anything she said.
Infeld is obviously faster than 16:09. She ran 14:50 last May and she's also run 31:08 for 10000. Her low knee lift, shuffle like stride is suited quite well for the marathon. Her track credentials are better than Seidel's who has run 2:23 and has an Olympic Bronze so I think she's has much more upside than the 2:28 you just arbitrarily pulled out of your butt.
2:28 is about right. She certainly doesn't have more upside than, say, Molly Huddle.
You misunderstood the post as did your lackeys. It would be a good career move and has nothing to do with anything she said.
Infeld is obviously faster than 16:09. She ran 14:50 last May and she's also run 31:08 for 10000. Her low knee lift, shuffle like stride is suited quite well for the marathon. Her track credentials are better than Seidel's who has run 2:23 and has an Olympic Bronze so I think she's has much more upside than the 2:28 you just arbitrarily pulled out of your butt.
2:28 is about right. She certainly doesn't have more upside than, say, Molly Huddle.
Wrong. Runners with less credentials have gone under 2:22. Hall, Hasay, Bates, Cragg.
Much ado about nothing. A lot of runners turned down Pan Am. I don't think there were all that many people begging to get on the team. Did she even actually take an opportunity away from anyone by going?
Emily's definitely capable of a fast time with her credentials, just a matter of staying healthy. She's tried to do focus on the roads before, but keeps coming back to track. Maybe she moves permanently there after 2024.
Seriously. I saw some dude won the 5000 in 14 low. While I'm not that fast, that isn't very impressive for an international meet. Top level NCAA guys could snap that off en route in a 10000
First point: An American (Taylor Werner) got 2nd & there's no coverage from this site & I don't think a thread on it so I'm not sure how we're supposed to take any comment about taking the event seriously.
Infeld got 4th, was with the leaders, & closed in 3:19. Her IG post wasn't full of excuses. It would be cool if the PanAm Games meant something & if we saw bigger names going there to compete. Infeld has been a top athlete in the US for a decade -- it's understandable for her to talk about the event because she has to convince herself that she can be in better form for bigger events. It's part of the mental prep. I don't have an issue with any of this.
The event itself is meaningful as a developmental meet, probably behind the CG (but that isn't relevant for Americans) and ahead of NACAC. Obviously it is not on the level of a World or Olympic meet. The timing of the meet this year (presumably weather related for Chile) is unfortunate however. Made for a very long season for some who also went to World's, but also international championship experience for those who didn't. For a guy like CPT (Canadian) it meant getting medals at a level for which he could, unlike World's, Or a guy like Heppenstall or Knevelbard who got medals but were not at World's.
The meet in 2015 (Toronto) was in the summer and was the coming out of Clayton Murphy, who then went on to get a medal in Rio (800m). Arop won the event in 2019 (record) which presaged his arrival on the world stage a few years later (World champ this year).
Once upon a time Wejo represented the USA at the PanAm games. I think he took fourth in the 10k. So you'd think that letsrun.com would be very interested in these games.
And run a 2:28? There are a lot of marathon women who would put up something better than a 16:09 no matter what time of year the race was run. I don't have a problem with her initial post, but I do agree you shouldn't accept a Team USA slot if you know you're not ready to perform at a reasonable level.
You misunderstood the post as did your lackeys. It would be a good career move and has nothing to do with anything she said.
Infeld is obviously faster than 16:09. She ran 14:50 last May and she's also run 31:08 for 10000. Her low knee lift, shuffle like stride is suited quite well for the marathon. Her track credentials are better than Seidel's who has run 2:23 and has an Olympic Bronze so I think she's has much more upside than the 2:28 you just arbitrarily pulled out of your butt.
She’s also as physically resilient as wet tissue paper. Marathon training is a recipe for disaster, much akin to putting Knight into BTC training.
Am reading that a lot of people turned down invitations ot the PAG team because they were in subpar offseason shape, timing their schedule for Paris, and PAG is not as prestigious as other international competitions, etc etc.
Infeld didn't use these escape clauses and actually sacked up and suited up for the US, despite also being in out-of-season fitness, also aiming to make the Paris team...and recall that for much of her pro career she was on a BTC team that rarely raced even during the height of the season.
And unlike many athletes who turned down the PAG team, Infeld has a WC medal that she could stay home and gaze at in a self-important glow instead of showing up to race for free when she thought she might not be at her best.
So I don't just give Infeld a pass, I commend her.
Am reading that a lot of people turned down invitations ot the PAG team because they were in subpar offseason shape, timing their schedule for Paris, and PAG is not as prestigious as other international competitions, etc etc.
Infeld didn't use these escape clauses and actually sacked up and suited up for the US, despite also being in out-of-season fitness, also aiming to make the Paris team...and recall that for much of her pro career she was on a BTC team that rarely raced even during the height of the season.
And unlike many athletes who turned down the PAG team, Infeld has a WC medal that she could stay home and gaze at in a self-important glow instead of showing up to race for free when she thought she might not be at her best.
So I don't just give Infeld a pass, I commend her.
Amen.
She came in 4th in a good field. Brea ran 14:47 this year. Staehil sub 15. Werner is a HUGE talent.
Infeld running a late fall PanAms is a net positive for the sport.
And run a 2:28? There are a lot of marathon women who would put up something better than a 16:09 no matter what time of year the race was run. I don't have a problem with her initial post, but I do agree you shouldn't accept a Team USA slot if you know you're not ready to perform at a reasonable level.
You misunderstood the post as did your lackeys. It would be a good career move and has nothing to do with anything she said.
Infeld is obviously faster than 16:09. She ran 14:50 last May and she's also run 31:08 for 10000. Her low knee lift, shuffle like stride is suited quite well for the marathon. Her track credentials are better than Seidel's who has run 2:23 and has an Olympic Bronze so I think she's has much more upside than the 2:28 you just arbitrarily pulled out of your butt.
If all she can muster right now is a 16:09 5k and yet she's a 'track person' then no way she's going to run a good marathon right now. So the fact that she's going to be moving to the marathon does not at all mean she will be relevant in the world of marathon running. Track times do not directly correspond to a fast marathon. Mantz has run 13:11 and 27:25 and ran 2:07:47 marathon. Clayton young has 13:31 and 28:18 and is less than 15 seconds behind Mantz. But then you have Chelenga who has run faster than Mantz but is even further back than Young. Same for Rupp, way faster than everyone mentioned, but might not make the team. I'm serious that I think she might run a 2:28, which is pretty irrelevant right now. Not the type of time a top pro is expected to put out. Molly Huddle has some of the fastest track times of any American and her marathon PR is 2:26 and never really figured out that distance.
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