H'm. She did so at Regionals. Ran the prelim and final at ncaa in 1500. Sure looked she intended to double. It was bad coaching not to recognize she was wearing down and being that ambitious. Put in the 5000m only and no problem.
The other runners in that race also ran prelims. Can you please stop making excuses for her? It seems competitive distance running is easy-peasy for everyone but her.
I'm guaranteeing my screen name that tuohy wins Natty's! If there was betting I would throw down as well...
She will win and win easily.
In fact a better thread is what distance, point, will she pass Valby with ease and cruise to the finish. I say about 800m as usual.
Tuohy ran 1503, beat Valby at regionals and then ran a solid 1515 7th at USA s...
Anyway Valby looks good but she looked good last year and we had all that hype and tuohy blew her off the course the last k so I don't expect any different.
Tuohy looks best shape I've seen her whole college career. She's not messing around.
H'm. She did so at Regionals. Ran the prelim and final at ncaa in 1500. Sure looked she intended to double. It was bad coaching not to recognize she was wearing down and being that ambitious. Put in the 5000m only and no problem.
The other runners in that race also ran prelims. Can you please stop making excuses for her? It seems competitive distance running is easy-peasy for everyone but her.
Yeah but most of them weren't doubling and hadn't been doubling for the last 5 months!
And the few that were... were not winning the 5k and 1500 at regionals... I mean yeah a few did double and ran like 16 min 5k...
The other runners in that race also ran prelims. Can you please stop making excuses for her? It seems competitive distance running is easy-peasy for everyone but her.
Yeah but most of them weren't doubling and hadn't been doubling for the last 5 months!
And the few that were... were not winning the 5k and 1500 at regionals... I mean yeah a few did double and ran like 16 min 5k...
Sure, but if Tuohy is beaten at NCAA XC, can you own the result? I know that she won’t be making any excuses.
Yeah well it's not me who's being a fanatical hyperbolic poster totally ignorant of history
I mean we had months of this last year when Valby was running fast, either one guy or a couple of guys, we're going on and on about how she was going to break every record and run like 1440
And how she was going to win the championship by a huge margin
And then what happened?????
she lost, she didn't break any records, she actually didn't even PB
I mean her fastest time last year was 15:25
I... got nothing against her she's a really good athlete and who knows maybe she will really improve at some point... but it's kind of a broken record to just be going crazy off a couple of preliminary cross-country results...
Tuohy meanwhile set four NCAA records and has won four championships and ran faster than her on a ton of occasions last year
So it's kind of crazy to be like saying to anyone oh are you going to admit things this time. I mean I think you got it all backwards... like people that need to wake up are the ones that are going crazy and predicting all this record setting changes and all that
I mean when it actually happens then you can go on and on about it. Not when you were wrong for a whole years time and got everything completely wrong
What has happened to her? She bombed at NCAAs and hasn't been the same since. She doesn't look like she is enjoying it. She doesn't look like she is fully engaged. Is she just getting tired of winning?
She had a bad day. She moved forward, which is what grown-ups do.
I was talking with a fellow coach on this general topic earlier today. It came down to:
What's wrong with "just" having a great college career? Is a runner somehow a "failure" if s/he doesn't turn pro/medal in OG or WC/set or threaten WRs?
I would argue that, even if she never gets faster at any distance, never turns pro, and never wins another major championship...Tuohy has still had a wonderful collegiate career and a wonderful running career.
I don't think Valby is any better than last year. Tuohy just had a bad day.
Tuohy beat Elise CRANNY in a race. She will be fine. Tuohy started her season late, and whether shewl wins this season or not, it doesn't determine her future.
Going from literally never losing and usually winning by a lot to you know.. losing, can destroy your racing confidence. Confidence is pretty important in endurance sports where half of the battle is mental. If you are in the pain cave and you do not believe you can win or even worry that you can not win that can effect your performance greatly.
The hard thing about being an absolute child prodigy ever since you started the sport is that you don’t know what it’s like to lose, and that can make it harder to get up from it. It’s the same idea as that guy or girl in highschool that is very good at the regional/state level, podiums or wins at every meet, goes D1 and is suddenly below average on their team and is placing lower to back of the pack in races, then they quit a year or two in.
Confidence and maybe a medical issue?
Burnout and struggles in practice sound like low iron or something. They tried upping her mileage to 70 mpw last spring and she got slower. One can hope they had a Dr evaluate her for thyroid or other imbalances.
I think she's burnt-out. She's been training and performing at a high level for many many years now, when many of those years should just have been used for her to grow and develop. That's why I think training at a high level so young is not a good idea and should be avoided. It leads to, in most cases, burn out at a young age. Both psychologically and physically. She needs rest. She needs to just chill, and find happiness/peace. Too much stress for too long will do this to you.
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