I think Kiptum running Valencia should be the largest indicator to any fan of distance running that he's not clean. How does he run 2:00:35 and then have the energy to run Sub 2 less than 2 months later. I hear many say he's young so he can take it. Yeah but, he's run 3 Sub-2:02 in 10 months now this? That would be 4 Marathons in a span of 12 months. All at World Record Pace or faster. Also, he's lied about many things. Why is World Athletics not cracking down on this more?
Why "tease it" and not just announce it if you are indeed running it?
He's not exactly Messi or Ronaldo or LeBron. He doesn't have literally 100 million+ followers on social media where people literally will flock to wherever they go and buy his clubs jerseys/tickets/etc.
Because some agency is telling him to
Did you see his Instagram history? Similarly, do think that’s actually Kipchoge posting on Kipchoge’s Instagram?
I think Kiptum running Valencia should be the largest indicator to any fan of distance running that he's not clean. How does he run 2:00:35 and then have the energy to run Sub 2 less than 2 months later. I hear many say he's young so he can take it. Yeah but, he's run 3 Sub-2:02 in 10 months now this? That would be 4 Marathons in a span of 12 months. All at World Record Pace or faster. Also, he's lied about many things. Why is World Athletics not cracking down on this more?
What has he lied about? Asking out of curiosity, not snark. All I’ve really picked up on is a bit of a language barrier.. haven’t seen anything negligent
Have to pump the hype cycle now. Valencia is getting bigger, and the existing majors are nothing more than a marketing event to supplement the elites. ROI potential here is massive for all involved.
Break the 2hr mark just on the tail end of the WR. Pump it as much as possible. Allows hype for the Olympics without having to wait until 2025 for the next attempt. Valencia gets a more important spot on the map for the hobby joggers. Nike, if played right, could own this instead of Abbott.
Many were wondering why Nike was so silent. This is the moment of the transition.
I think Kiptum running Valencia should be the largest indicator to any fan of distance running that he's not clean. How does he run 2:00:35 and then have the energy to run Sub 2 less than 2 months later. I hear many say he's young so he can take it. Yeah but, he's run 3 Sub-2:02 in 10 months now this? That would be 4 Marathons in a span of 12 months. All at World Record Pace or faster. Also, he's lied about many things. Why is World Athletics not cracking down on this more?
What has he lied about? Asking out of curiosity, not snark. All I’ve really picked up on is a bit of a language barrier.. haven’t seen anything negligent
He lied about being Self-coached back in his debut last year. Then after London was like "Yeah, I've been with my coach for Two years" then later the coach was interviewed and said he's been part of Kelvin's life since he was 12 like Wtf which is it?
Also, his deal with Qiaodan, that Chinese nike copycat company. Gave him 100k to sign with then he switched up on them last minute and wore Nike's shoes back in London.
Also, c'mon. Unless he's some 1:58 Marathon Phenom who's been toying around these last few marathons. HOW do you drop 3 of the 6 fastest marathons in your only 3 marathons and you get faster each time. We know he has a limit, He ran 58:42 in the 2020 Valencia Half and got 6th to the other guys. Plus, his couple Halfs after that weren't newsworthy. Never broke 59 again in 2 years. All-in-all. It'd be like if Grant Fisher started running Half Marathons and were all within Kiplimo's WR time and was about to break 57. All I'm saying is, he's not a truthful person.
Good point on the coach, that’s right. Didn’t know about the shoe thing.
Mostly agree with the rest of what you said, however we just don’t really know. He’s so young, this is somewhat new nowadays. If he’s cheating, he’ll get caught. Like said above, Valencia would be a moment of dancing in our faces
And to the rest: honestly… Grant Fisher should bump up. It’s likely his best shot at a long and rewarding career
Good point on the coach, that’s right. Didn’t know about the shoe thing.
Mostly agree with the rest of what you said, however we just don’t really know. He’s so young, this is somewhat new nowadays. If he’s cheating, he’ll get caught. Like said above, Valencia would be a moment of dancing in our faces
And to the rest: honestly… Grant Fisher should bump up. It’s likely his best shot at a long and rewarding career
Even side noting his comments.
His coach has worked with multiple guys who are now banned for doping. On top of that, Kenya has banned 300 athletes since 2015. It took only 150 for World Athletics to ban Russia.
On Grant: I mean he ran 7:25 3k less than 2 months ago, doesn't seem like he's lacking too much on the speed side. I would kill for Grant to run a Half Marathon and take down Ryan Hall's record. But, As what's common with American Distance Runners, We put the right people in the wrong distances.
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If only it were that simple. We’ll likely never know for sure whether he’s clean, especially as his name becomes more important to Nike and other brands. But didn’t his coach say “only the clumsy get caught doping”?
If only it were that simple. We’ll likely never know for sure whether he’s clean, especially as his name becomes more important to Nike and other brands. But didn’t his coach say “only the clumsy get caught doping”?
It's even rarer for debutants in the marathon to run WR type races. It's unlikely those debutants give Kelvin a run for his money. Most likely, those debutants will be keying off Kelvin and waiting for him to make a move. Of course there is a chance the debutants go crazy and start out at 58:xx HM split but I think that's also unlikely.
On an abbreviated buildup my point is he could be vulnerable and go out in 61-61:30. Doing that he could get beat.
He is the fastest closer in the marathon ever. Whether it's from 15, 10, 5km out he has the ability to drop a 13:50 5k off a very fast pace, much less a slow one. Going out in 61:30 is no problem, it's whether he will close in 61:30 because if he does then it's going to be very easy for him.
I doubt he is running Valencia, although not impossible. The photo was taken in Valencia. He probably is announcing his next race or his selection to Paris 2024 team
This. Announced to pursue sub 2 with the NN Rotterdam race.
1)Unlike Kipchoge he isn't good at PR and marketing himself.He is just but a tradesman who lets his feet talk for him whereas Kipchoge engages sponsors and stakeholders and different players and can appear in any race and organise for instance a sub 2 attempt without any difficulties. Kiptum wouldn't know where to start or how to go about it.
2)Kiptum has a very basic support team.A coach and just a few training partners.I doubt his agent can match Kipchoge's agent either.
3)Lack of exposure
Based on the above, I doubt he can organise for a sub 2 attempt. Hence I can see him easily making the mistake of running Valencia due to lack of a proper support team to advice him against it.
The best strategy for him would be just to focus on defending his London title next year and choose either the Olympics OR lowering his World record at Berlin 2024.
1)Unlike Kipchoge he isn't good at PR and marketing himself.He is just but a tradesman who lets his feet talk for him whereas Kipchoge engages sponsors and stakeholders and different players and can appear in any race and organise for instance a sub 2 attempt without any difficulties. Kiptum wouldn't know where to start or how to go about it.
2)Kiptum has a very basic support team.A coach and just a few training partners.I doubt his agent can match Kipchoge's agent either.
3)Lack of exposure
Based on the above, I doubt he can organise for a sub 2 attempt. Hence I can see him easily making the mistake of running Valencia due to lack of a proper support team to advice him against it.
The best strategy for him would be just to focus on defending his London title next year and choose either the Olympics OR lowering his World record at Berlin 2024.
He is teaming up for a sub-2 attempt with Kipchoge’s agency at an NN-sponsored race. I don’t know why you’d think the guy and his agency are amateur hour but you can dispel that now.
1)Unlike Kipchoge he isn't good at PR and marketing himself.He is just but a tradesman who lets his feet talk for him whereas Kipchoge engages sponsors and stakeholders and different players and can appear in any race and organise for instance a sub 2 attempt without any difficulties. Kiptum wouldn't know where to start or how to go about it.
2)Kiptum has a very basic support team.A coach and just a few training partners.I doubt his agent can match Kipchoge's agent either.
3)Lack of exposure
Based on the above, I doubt he can organise for a sub 2 attempt. Hence I can see him easily making the mistake of running Valencia due to lack of a proper support team to advice him against it.
The best strategy for him would be just to focus on defending his London title next year and choose either the Olympics OR lowering his World record at Berlin 2024.
I don't quite like Jos Hermans as a personality. I think he has changed over the years from when he was with Haile Gebrselassie in the early 1990s to then Kenenisa Bekele and then Eliud Kipchoge. Jos is all about the money which is nothing wrong because he does put in good amount of care for his athletes and they produce results but I think he isn't that prominent on the antidoping front. I suspect he could be turning a blind eye to some doping from his athletes like Eliud Kipchoge.
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Kelvin would do a sub 2 in a standard marathon race, there is no need for him to go out the way to organize a sub 2. 2:00:35 was quite easy for him despite the hiccups in his training such as injury beforehand. He just needs to split a faster first half in around 60:30 and maintain the same closing half and he will get the legal sub 2 of 1:59:45. He would have done that at Chicago last month already if not for being more cautious due to his previous injury.
From 1:59:45 it would be at least 2-3 marathon cycles before he goes in 1:58:45 territory. He would have to get fitter than his Chicago 2023 level which equates to 1:59:45 (assumed). For him to run consecutive sub 59:30 halves to get in 1:58 is going to be extremely demanding but should set the way for Jacob Kiplimo and Yomif Kejelcha to take the baton into 1:58 and 1:57 territory later, without drugs.
1)Unlike Kipchoge he isn't good at PR and marketing himself.He is just but a tradesman who lets his feet talk for him whereas Kipchoge engages sponsors and stakeholders and different players and can appear in any race and organise for instance a sub 2 attempt without any difficulties. Kiptum wouldn't know where to start or how to go about it.
2)Kiptum has a very basic support team.A coach and just a few training partners.I doubt his agent can match Kipchoge's agent either.
3)Lack of exposure
Based on the above, I doubt he can organise for a sub 2 attempt. Hence I can see him easily making the mistake of running Valencia due to lack of a proper support team to advice him against it.
The best strategy for him would be just to focus on defending his London title next year and choose either the Olympics OR lowering his World record at Berlin 2024.
Kipchoge isn’t marketing himself.
Guarantee you they’re feeding Kiptum English lessons and a PR strategist outside of him sleeping. Agency does the rest
Kelvin would do a sub 2 in a standard marathon race, there is no need for him to go out the way to organize a sub 2. 2:00:35 was quite easy for him despite the hiccups in his training such as injury beforehand. He just needs to split a faster first half in around 60:30 and maintain the same closing half and he will get the legal sub 2 of 1:59:45. He would have done that at Chicago last month already if not for being more cautious due to his previous injury.
From 1:59:45 it would be at least 2-3 marathon cycles before he goes in 1:58:45 territory. He would have to get fitter than his Chicago 2023 level which equates to 1:59:45 (assumed). For him to run consecutive sub 59:30 halves to get in 1:58 is going to be extremely demanding but should set the way for Jacob Kiplimo and Yomif Kejelcha to take the baton into 1:58 and 1:57 territory later, without drugs.
1. You think he's dropping 59:15 Half after opening in 60:30? WTFFFFFF In order for him to break 2, It would have to be a much more even effort like opening in around 1:00:00
2. You think Kejelcha's going to enter 1:57 territory? LOL. He spent so many years trying to break 59 for the Half now you think he'll replicate it twice? I don't know how good those Supershoes are but, they're not a pony. He can break 2 if he chooses to move up but, anything beyond is pure guess work. Even that he can break 2.
1. You think he's dropping 59:15 Half after opening in 60:30? WTFFFFFF In order for him to break 2, It would have to be a much more even effort like opening in around 1:00:00
Have you watched any of his runs? 6030-5915 is likely to be exactly what happens
Have you watched any of his runs? 6030-5915 is likely to be exactly what happens
Yeah but, his usual tactic is to start kicking after 30k. For him to have a similar experience, he would have to drop his 10k speed to 27:20-27:30 which is not happening. He would have to start dropping 14:03 5ks after his Halfway point which doesn't seem like he would make such a drastic risk. He's not the type (so far) to open powerfully as a time trial.
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