That is all great and all, and I would love to see him run deep under 2:08, but, as Bill Parcells used to famously say, you are what your record says it is. So, he is currently a 2:12:28 marathoner. If he runs 2:06:25, then we will call him a 2:06:25 marathoner.
Are you getting him confused with someone else? He ran 2:08.52 at Boston last year. He has four times of 2:08/2:09. I know Boston can be quick with the right wind but I don't think he's ever had that, there were no ridiculous winning times in his races. Plus he ran 2:09 on the Marathon Project course which was record eligible
I didn't include Boston as it is not record-eligible and I believe net-downhill. I was not aware of his 2:09 on the Marathon Project course.
Fauble has raced well under Bosshard. I don't think it's unrealistic whatsoever to think he could hit the Olympic auto-standard on a fast course with good weather.
In response to Fauble's comments on the timing of the event:
Historical data for Feb. 3 at noon in Orlando looks like an average of about 80 degrees F (which looks to be the maximum temp for the day). Dew point right at 60F which is basically the point at which humidity starts to be noticeable (at least from the perspective of someone that lives in the south). Atlanta was hilly but cold and Orlando will be flat but hot. I do not understand why there are complaints about this. It took me all of 5 minutes to research the conditions.
Training for heat is not that hard. Wear more clothes during your runs to simulate the heat and hit up the sauna afterwards for a bit. Basically no one is going to be acclimated to the heat at this point in the year, so everyone is in the same boat. There is plenty of research on how to boost performance in these conditions. The goal is to get top 3. If that is done by running 2:12 vs 2:08 who cares? All of the top contenders will be ranked high enough (based on maximum of 3 per country) to be in the top 65 globally.
(1) that is the average, which means it very well may be hotter than that. it is dumb to plan for the “average”
(2) heat training is not that easy, in my experience wearing lots of clothes on the treadmill does not simulate well.
(3) a hot marathon is nothing like a hot 10k or even a half. it can be brutal and can be dangerous.
im not racing this one so dont really care but its not a decision in the interests of the athletes or even of selecting the best team. Fauble got it right
Are you getting him confused with someone else? He ran 2:08.52 at Boston last year. He has four times of 2:08/2:09. I know Boston can be quick with the right wind but I don't think he's ever had that, there were no ridiculous winning times in his races. Plus he ran 2:09 on the Marathon Project course which was record eligible
I didn't include Boston as it is not record-eligible and I believe net-downhill. I was not aware of his 2:09 on the Marathon Project course.
Was the Marathon Project course record-eligible because there was a bunch of good times there. 13 guys ran under 2:12 and another 20 broke 2:16.
What a mess this whole selection system has become.
With standards being raised and rankings becoming important, the fact that an athlete needs to fire up Excel and try to work out where he might be ranked says legions about the situation.
All we are doing is creating more uncertainty in an already difficult path to any games.
I agree and I think for the marathon there is no reason not to let more in. Allow 3 per at one level and more at increasingly faster levels.
Are you getting him confused with someone else? He ran 2:08.52 at Boston last year. He has four times of 2:08/2:09. I know Boston can be quick with the right wind but I don't think he's ever had that, there were no ridiculous winning times in his races. Plus he ran 2:09 on the Marathon Project course which was record eligible
I didn't include Boston as it is not record-eligible and I believe net-downhill. I was not aware of his 2:09 on the Marathon Project course.
This was the opening paragraph of the OP linked article: "His time of 2:09:44 represented the fourth sub-2:10 of his career, making him just the seventh American to accomplish that feat after Ryan Hall, Galen Rupp, Meb Keflezighi, Khalid Khannouchi, Alberto Salazar, and Mbarak Hussein."
1. He's absolutely capable of sub-2:08 on a fast course if he can run sub-2:09 at Boston on a less-than-ideal weather day. I ran 2022 Boston and it was a touch hot with sun exposure nearly the whole race. Took more out of people than they might have realized.
2. The selection procedure is beyond confusing. Athletes having to make spreadsheets to figure it out, lol.
3. USATF just proves their incompetence and corruption by having the Trials start at noon. Beyond stupid for the athletes. Even if they have a better TV time slot, barely anybody is watching the marathon trials, anyways.
Good luck to Scott and other marathoners. May they succeed in spite of our sport's governing bodies.
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In response to Fauble's comments on the timing of the event:
Historical data for Feb. 3 at noon in Orlando looks like an average of about 80 degrees F (which looks to be the maximum temp for the day). Dew point right at 60F which is basically the point at which humidity starts to be noticeable (at least from the perspective of someone that lives in the south). Atlanta was hilly but cold and Orlando will be flat but hot. I do not understand why there are complaints about this. It took me all of 5 minutes to research the conditions.
Training for heat is not that hard. Wear more clothes during your runs to simulate the heat and hit up the sauna afterwards for a bit. Basically no one is going to be acclimated to the heat at this point in the year, so everyone is in the same boat. There is plenty of research on how to boost performance in these conditions. The goal is to get top 3. If that is done by running 2:12 vs 2:08 who cares? All of the top contenders will be ranked high enough (based on maximum of 3 per country) to be in the top 65 globally.
Wearing a bunch of sweat soaked, heavy clothes (hello chaffing city and hypothermia risk in cold weather) and then further dehydrating yourself by hanging out in a sauna afterwards seems like some pretty bad training advice. Not only is this supremely uncomfortable, it also strongly affects recovery from runs. Frankly, just run on a treadmill in a bit hotter indoor environment.
In response to Fauble's comments on the timing of the event:
Historical data for Feb. 3 at noon in Orlando looks like an average of about 80 degrees F (which looks to be the maximum temp for the day). Dew point right at 60F which is basically the point at which humidity starts to be noticeable (at least from the perspective of someone that lives in the south). Atlanta was hilly but cold and Orlando will be flat but hot. I do not understand why there are complaints about this. It took me all of 5 minutes to research the conditions.
Scott Fauble wants a 2:07? LOL. I want a billion dollars but I ain't getting a billion dollars. And he ain't getting a 2:07. His PR on a non-aided course is a 2:12:28. And now he wants to lower that 2:12 to a 2:07. Scott, keep dreaming!
You don't get there without first visualizing it. Good for Scott.
Absolutely! If I had to bet, I’d bet on him getting his 2: 07. Just to support the idea of a good attitude and visualization.
