Kilian vs Jakob - marathon

Nothing is more humiliating than to be beaten by several EC and WC medallists. Just horrible.

The truth is that he has participated in several since that one, but no wonder that you didnt know that since you pretend that two WC bronze medallist are just two local club runners.

A serious, competitive, record-quality marathon is way too fast for Kilian.

Has Killian ever run a record-quality marathon? Has he ever come anywhere close to a 2:20 record-quality marathon? I haven't followed his career closely, but I've seen enough to conclude that it's highly unlikely that he can run a record-quality marathon at a high competitive level. And when show horses like Kilian seem to go out of their way to avoid the many opportunities and offers to run record-quality races at standard distances, without bizarre obstacle courses thrown in, it's almost invariably because their results would expose their deficiencies as serious, high-level competitive runners. For Kilian, it could be completely disastrous for his brand. He'd be better off doing some random tree-climbing competition.

Here is a good write-up in English of his 10 km run when he came in 18th in a 10 km road race in Norway in 2020 clocking in at 29:59. The article mentions he had run 29:42 in training once.
As mentioned in a previous post it was seventeen Norwgian runners beating him incl. Narve Gilje Nordås and Filip Ingebrigtsen

Kilian was sprinting to try and beat the women. He was beaten by a kid. He was beaten by 17 Norwegians in his only road race. How is he gonna run a 2:10 marathon when he would have had a tough time making the varsity xc squad at Newbury Park HIGH SCHOOL last season?
Kilian claims to run 29:30 and sub 14 in training sessions after warming up with an all out vertical K. WTF is he measuring and timing the course with - a shoelace and hourglass? He talks a big game, but when the real game comes around he can't hang. Maybe, with a year of all-out focused training he could do a 2:26.

I didn't see anything in there about those Norwegians being nobodies. Maybe you are Kilian's mom or maybe you aren't super skilled at reading English.

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1 minute ago 09/02/2023 6:53pm EDT re: LarsL11 I didn't see anything in there about those Norwegians being nobodies. Maybe you are Kilian's mom or maybe you aren't super skilled at reading English.

Fixed it for you. And you are correct. Nothing in there about the Norwegians being good or bad or anything other than faster than Kilian J.

Do you think Nienke Brinkman (a 2:22 road marathoner) could beat him in a road marathon?

runningmagazine.ca

Kilian Jornet and Nienke Brinkman smash Zegama-Aizkorri Marathon course records - Canadian Running Magazine

https://www.facebook.com/marley.dickinson

Kilian Jornet has now won 10 of the last 11 Zegama races, and Nienke Brinkman continues to stun the running world

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Obviously, that's a false dichotomy, but you're talking about Kilian and yourself, then I'm definitely going with "unbelievable" (but really quite reasonable) lack of respect.

I don't necessarily see KJ as 2:28 on his best day. But also not very close to 2:20.

I thought it was obvious that the lack of respect was against the world class runners that he calls club runners. I have no opinion about Kilians marathon time (nor do I really care as he wouldnt be close to world leading there, and speculations suck), I just find the obsession this poster have with hating on kilian weird, and the tendency to pretend like those who beat him are rubbish runners wrong.

You don’t even dare to stand by your insinuations when confronted, not even when anonymous on an internet forum. That is pretty sad, almost as sad as your obsession and rage. Why do you feel so angry and hurt?

Its hillarious that you again say "Norwegians" like its a bad thing. Fact is that you would have a tough time finding anyone out of newbury park or any active american middle distance runner with more medals than several of what you call "small town club runners".

I dont care about discussing what Kilian would or would not run, hypotheticals is something reserved for american high school running fans as they can dream about what their Newbury Park boys surely will win in some years (spoiler: they wont), but this characterisation of world class runners is just stupid and misleading at best.

Well said. Kilian would have his hands full against an in shape Molly Seidel in the marathon, let alone Jakob. El Guerrouj used to do his weekly easy runs at Kilian's 10k race pace. There's simply no comparison between him and the greatest track runners.

Hey Lars,

So, all of those 17 runners are international runners with medals/participation in senior international championships?

Zegama is probably the most famous trail marathon. I'd pick Killian over Jakob by a lot at Zegama. He's 40 minutes faster than 2:22 Dutchwoman Nienke Brinkman. I'd actually pick Nienke over Jakob at Zegama if he doesn't adjust his training, based on his famously bad hill climb performance. He'd be destroyed on both uphills and downhills.

*Kilian (damn autocorrect on phone adding "l")

Also showing how Jakob would suck in a trail marathon like Zegama: Sierre Zinal is only a trail 30K, and it destroyed 2:10 German Hendrik Pfeiffer the other week. We were talking about Pfeiffer going to the front at the beginning and managing to only stay with the lead a few hundred meters or so up the initial climb. He finished 24 minutes back in 30K. Zegama has also had fast marathoners run it... yet Kilian has the CR.

At least one of the guys behind Kilian in the race had medals... Jakob himself was in that 10K about a mile back.

I think it's laughable to call 29:59 a bad performance. It's a one-time shot. It's on the road. He wasn't wearing supershoes. He skis in the winter. He doesn't have a track, cross country running, or road race background. Usually runs steep and and down. Trained for just one season faster stuff, and pops a sub-30. That's seriously impressive. His body is obviously capable of way faster if he had: run high school XC/track, college XC track, pro XC/track/road, had a decade of training flat/fast, and was paid to run flat/fast races.

“The”marathon: Nothing asked about trails or mountain climbs.