How are People running fast on Vaporfly? Its so uncomfortable

Who gets 0 or negative advantage from the supershoes? Whether it's fast is separate from whether it's comfortable. A lot of people don't find them comfortable but still wear them for the performance improvement.

I don't get any advantage. I don't know why but I've cycled through 3-4 different supershoes and they do not improve anything for me and they are uncomfortable/not fun to run in.

My guess is that I am a heelstriker so the plate doesn't do anything for me. And I like to sort of bounce off my heel, but in supershoes I just sink in rather than bounce. I race at around 6 minutes/mile pace.

It's so uncomfortable, you rush to minimize the amount of time you have to spend in that shoes...

here , i got negative . For the 10k i can somehow run similar times to other racing flats, but once it starts to get to half/full its downhill.(5 to 10 minutes negative) And its not just with the vaporfly, it was a smialr experience even with the flyknit zoomfly. I don;t know why, i suspect i more of a gliding runner , dont like to hit the ground hard

I don't like cushy shoes. I'd rather feel the ground properly and react to that. But I am not a professional athlete.

From the data, heel strikers typically get more benefit than forefoot strikers. But, I can see how if you are extreme in that regard, it could be sluggish.

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I would recommend Adios Pro 3 over Vaporfly. The main difference from the Nike shoes is that you get an even, consistent feel/bounce for the entire shoe, whereas the Nikes to me always felt like two different halves of shoes. The firm, plated front half and the soft rear half.

Also, the Pro3 lasts a long time and seems to maintain its bounce and cushion longer than Nike IME. The Pro3 can easily be used as tempo/long workout shoes.

Are you talking about the 4%, next%2 or version 3?

I didn't like the crimson 4% for the reason you mention.

The next% 2 were great except the heel was a bit too bouncy (hamstring issues).

Haven't yet tried version 3.

For 5k and 10k the Takumi Sen 8 is for me better than the Vaporfly Next %

I imagine that I may bend more the fiber glass rods than the stiffer carbon plate. And maybe the denser foam is also better for me.

I rave over the Takumi Sen. I am a weak responder to the Vaporfly, etc. fully plated shoes.

The best way I can describe is the Takumi Sen is it feels like a traditional racer but with a helluva lot extra pop. Their power rods really do work.

The Takumi Sen could easily take you out to the half 'thon distance.

I have the Skechers Excess 2 which has the plate only under the ball of the foot, and that works well, too.

Find a shoe that works for you. Most people can't train in a racing shoe every day, at least not without an adjustment period. For some people the vaporfly is not a good option at all - for training, races, anything. I suggest going to the running store and trying on a bunch of different shoes.

They do feel like a traditional shoe - they have zero energy return. I mean that with no sarcasm at all. They are a very good shoe, I enjoyed running in them. I found the Vaporfly to be a solid 10 seconds a mile faster. But less stable, and definitely a weird feeling vs. the Brooks.

The shoes are fine.

Serious question: Are you a bit overweight? Or heavy for a runner? These shoes may not be ideal for you then.

Conspiracy theory: Did your running store sell you a “bad” pair of shoes? They buy defective shoes at a steep discount and sell them as prime.

It all depends on foot geometry and biomechanics.

If you have quite a wide foot, heel strike and over or underpronate heavily, then you're certainly not going to enjoy the Next% 2.

I personally love them though. They seem to be the most reliable and effective super shoe I've tried.

On a side note, I see a lot of people commenting on how squishy they are. I've found the Next% 2 to be quite firm in comparison with the Alphafly, the 4% and the Saucony Endorphin Pro 3. Perhaps it's a matter of which part of your foot is making contact with the ground first.

I wore them straight out of the box for a race. They were defn springy racing. I ran a minute faster in my 10k from the previous year although weather was much cooler than last year and I actually trained specifically for this distance when I didn't the prior years. The thing for me is I was SO INCREDIBLY SORE after the race. I run daily and did hard training cycle for this so it was definitely the shoes.

The shoes are designed for a 135 lb runner at 180 steps per min. The further you are from those stats, the less likely they will work as well for you. What are the stats of the runners who dislike them?

FYI : I have a pair of Sketchers Gorun Razor that are thick, stable, firm, and feel fast. I'm 155 lb. My Nike Fly 5 shoes feel squishy.