gat greatsby wrote:
What 15/mile, 5, steeple, or 10k would you expect from someone who doesn't work in any other field than running?
I am assuming this is coming out of college so you can take a chance on running without needing a real income.
You could chase for a year if you are sub 3:40; 13:40; 8:35: 28:30
Realistically sub 3:37; 13:20; 8:20; 28:00 (could just try the marathon)
If this is a personal question, don't count yourself out too early. In 2011, Paul Chelimo had personal bests of 3:46, 8:11, 13:53, and 29:44 as a 20 year old. A lot of athletes have coaches with long term approaches, just as high school coaches do. Sliding in all the chips at 18 and showing the river card is a bit premature; however, you hear a lot (maybe less now) of kids logging 90-100 mile weeks to run 8:50/4:05 in high school. Maybe (I'm not a professional) coaches look at an individual's progression trend, and take mileage and race context into account.
Again that's why times are dicey without context. Didn't Fisher run 13:30 as a freshman to finish in the back end of the podium?
8minpace wrote:
If this is a personal question, don't count yourself out too early. In 2011, Paul Chelimo had personal bests of 3:46, 8:11, 13:53, and 29:44 as a 20 year old.
Sure, but a year later while still running for UNC Greensboro he had PBs of 3:40, 7:49 and 13:21 and was runner up in the NCAA 5k.
8minpace wrote:
If this is a personal question, don't count yourself out too early. In 2011, Paul Chelimo had personal bests of 3:46, 8:11, 13:53, and 29:44 as a 20 year old. A lot of athletes have coaches with long term approaches, just as high school coaches do. Sliding in all the chips at 18 and showing the river card is a bit premature; however, you hear a lot (maybe less now) of kids logging 90-100 mile weeks to run 8:50/4:05 in high school. Maybe (I'm not a professional) coaches look at an individual's progression trend, and take mileage and race context into account.
I'm not sure how smart these shoe execs necessariy are but I used to say when I was a college coach something very simple. "I don't recruit times. I recruit talent."
The most talented and dedicated guys should go pro. In general, unless you are contending for an NCAA titlte, why would a shoe company sign you? There had better be a real good reason (Injured a lot, you just started running, you didn't take it serious, your coach was a total moron, etc).
Those times for Paul Chelimo have to be totally misleading. And I just did 10 seconds of research and have confirmed it. All I remember is Chelmo EMBARRASSED Donn Cabral in a 1500 at like Raleigh Relay in 2012 - the year Cabral mad the Olympic finals. Chelimo made him look like a JV runnner. And it was in 2012. He beat him by 3.35 seconds.
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/23554/1553301/Raleigh_Relays/Mens-1500-Meters
Later that year, Paul was guy who ran 13:21 and was 2nd at nCAAs. Please stop acting like he was a 13:50 guy who cold barely dream of making NCAAs. He only started running in 2010 - after HS. How many humans run 13:20 within 2 years of picking up the sport?
Why are we talking Chelimo so much? Chelimo went Army WCAP post college. Which while technically a pro athlete, I think works differently than a shoe or athletic brand contract. If you can't hit standards in WCAP, your butt is doing regular soldier stuff (maybe you can do something cushy if you have a degree in a field useful to the army) - if not, you could be a grunt. With the athletic contract, you can do what you want nonathletically, maybe train to get back to the top while working as a coach or in an office.