Seriously laughable. Gidey will NEVER beat Hassan in a 5000 that matters unless you are talking about an old over the hill Hassan, but that’s does not seem to be this year and not likely next. Gidey can’t drop Hassan and she can never match her last lap. Kipyegon and Tsegay are another matter. However, still waiting to see about Faith at these longer distances now. Her 3000 last year was fair only.
Yes absolutely, thinking Hassan is only worth 14:22 is like thinking Farah in his prime was only worth 7:33 or 12:53.
Hassan crazy range :
1:56
3:51
14:22
29:06
1:05
2:18
And she was never a time chaser but rather a medal chaser.
Mind blowing fact : Her 3:51 1500m best happened in the Doha final she led wire to wire, closing in 59, after having already run and won the 10k final, her 1500m heat and semi final. In the backstretch she put 20 meters on everyone in 10 seconds. I think that was her true prime.
One can only wonder what she could have run in her prime, on fresh legs, with pacing lights and good pacemakers.
There are no Ifs in track and field, you either run the time or it never happened. That's the yardstick for ALL athletes.
(fresh legs et al. are inconsequential excuses, is it we who told her not to rest?)
Also you saying she's never chased WR is funny and untrue as she's always chased WRs (Having chased and broken 4 in her career so far)
In 2019, Hassan broke the WR in the Mile, then lost the next 5k to Obiri and Tirop's 14.20. chasing the 5k WR
same thing happened in Monaco in 2021, where she requested WR pace then lost to Kipyegon
The 5K is simply her weakest event and thats ok. an Olympic gold medal is a good weakness to have
and thats exactly what Farah was worth. Nobody but his legs, stopped him from running faster than 7.33 and 12.53
Well, I’m not sure who will run the 5000 in Budapest, but if Hassan runs, I’ll pick her and you can pick whoever you’d like and we will see. When Hassan, yes the reigning Olympic champion, wins again, you can come back and declare her the best at the event, and I’ll do the same if your pick wins. As for 2019, if you honestly think somebody was going to beat Hassan at 5000 in Doha, that’s crazy. As for the 1500, yes, Kipyegon is better. Nobody is saying otherwise.
There are no Ifs in track and field, you either run the time or it never happened. That's the yardstick for ALL athletes.
(fresh legs et al. are inconsequential excuses, is it we who told her not to rest?)
Also you saying she's never chased WR is funny and untrue as she's always chased WRs (Having chased and broken 4 in her career so far)
In 2019, Hassan broke the WR in the Mile, then lost the next 5k to Obiri and Tirop's 14.20. chasing the 5k WR
same thing happened in Monaco in 2021, where she requested WR pace then lost to Kipyegon
The 5K is simply her weakest event and thats ok. an Olympic gold medal is a good weakness to have
and thats exactly what Farah was worth. Nobody but his legs, stopped him from running faster than 7.33 and 12.53
Well, I’m not sure who will run the 5000 in Budapest, but if Hassan runs, I’ll pick her and you can pick whoever you’d like and we will see. When Hassan, yes the reigning Olympic champion, wins again, you can come back and declare her the best at the event, and I’ll do the same if your pick wins. As for 2019, if you honestly think somebody was going to beat Hassan at 5000 in Doha, that’s crazy. As for the 1500, yes, Kipyegon is better. Nobody is saying otherwise.
Well, my pick is Beatrice Chebet, Lock it in.
Didn't Hellen Obiri front run a 14.26.72 CR in Doha using a 58.5 sec last lap to Win.
That's who would have beaten Hassan in Doha!
she beat her again running her PB in Monaco the next year
beating her over the 5k until 2021 (when Obiri admittedly fumbled at the Olympics)
Well, I’m not sure who will run the 5000 in Budapest, but if Hassan runs, I’ll pick her and you can pick whoever you’d like and we will see. When Hassan, yes the reigning Olympic champion, wins again, you can come back and declare her the best at the event, and I’ll do the same if your pick wins. As for 2019, if you honestly think somebody was going to beat Hassan at 5000 in Doha, that’s crazy. As for the 1500, yes, Kipyegon is better. Nobody is saying otherwise.
Well, my pick is Beatrice Chebet, Lock it in.
Didn't Hellen Obiri front run a 14.26.72 CR in Doha using a 58.5 sec last lap to Win.
That's who would have beaten Hassan in Doha!
she beat her again running her PB in Monaco the next year
beating her over the 5k until 2021 (when Obiri admittedly fumbled at the Olympics)
Ok, sounds good. Obiri is an all time great and we will never be able to re run the Doha 5000, so I guess the debate is pointless, but for me at that meet nobody was going to beat Hassan 1500 and up.
KEN CHEPKOECH, Beatrice 14:39.33 ETH GIDEY, Letesenbet 14:06.62 ETH HAILU, Freweyni ETH HAILU, Lemlem 14:44.73 USA HENES, Elly 14:52.87 ETH KETEMA, Tigist 16:10.98 KEN KIPKEMBOI, Margaret Chelimo 14:27.12 KEN KIPYEGON, Faith 14:31.95 GER KLEIN, Hanna 14:51.71 SWE LAHTI, Sarah 15:04.87 USA MONSON, Alicia 14:31.11 USA MORGAN, Whittni 15:10.20 GBR MUIR, Laura 14:52.07 KEN NAWOWUNA, Grace Loibach 15:27.01 KEN NGETICH, Agnes Jebet 15:07.34 KEN RENGERUK, Lilian Kasait 14:30.32 ETH TAYE, Ejgayehu 14:12.98 ETH WELTEJI, Diribe
Seriously laughable. Gidey will NEVER beat Hassan in a 5000 that matters unless you are talking about an old over the hill Hassan, but that’s does not seem to be this year and not likely next. Gidey can’t drop Hassan and she can never match her last lap. Kipyegon and Tsegay are another matter. However, still waiting to see about Faith at these longer distances now. Her 3000 last year was fair only.
I doubt Letesenbet will be representing Ethiopia in any WC/Olympic 5000m race going forward. Her best event for a lock at winning is the 10000m. She has never even won a 5k within the diamond league let alone representative honours.
I know Letesenbet burns to bring home a gold for her country at the Olympics, but I don’t give her any odds at winning the 5k unless she completely gaps the field early and hangs on which isn’t likely. - She doesn’t face an easy ride in the 10k either with Hassan who has the capacity to sit on her until the last lap and then burn her off.
I would be targeting the marathon WR if I were Letesenbet. Holding four world records simultaneously may never be done again in history - and that’s something special to have on your resume…..
Didn't Hellen Obiri front run a 14.26.72 CR in Doha using a 58.5 sec last lap to Win.
That's who would have beaten Hassan in Doha!
she beat her again running her PB in Monaco the next year
beating her over the 5k until 2021 (when Obiri admittedly fumbled at the Olympics)
Ok, sounds good. Obiri is an all time great and we will never be able to re run the Doha 5000, so I guess the debate is pointless, but for me at that meet nobody was going to beat Hassan 1500 and up.
Did you see that 800m? I wouldn't have put that passed her.
Gidey is not going to push the pace and will likely look to test her speed in a dust up. 3rd to 4th place in this race would be considered a great result for her. How she closes in this field will be an indication of what she will do the rest of the year. To me faith kipyegon is the solid favorite as this will likely turn tactical with major kicking going on. The two athletes to look out for is welteji and cagey freweyni hailu … who hangs back and closes fast. I think they will finish in the top 5. If Taye wants to win this … she will wind it up and cause pain and open it up for the two Ethiopians. Let’s face it. Ethiopia is just so strong in this event. They may not win this race but they have the deepest talent.
Excellent field but it needed one among Tsegay or Hassan, preferably Hassan. There's immense pride between Hassan and Kipyegon every time they meet. They always keep an eye on each other throughout and their strategy is designed to defeat that one person. With Gidey in the race it would have been a fascinating split dynamic.
Minus Hassan I'm not sure if Kipyegon will prioritize defeating Gidey or mostly experiment with how it feels to run the 5000 at that level.
Welteji is really a wild card, with exactly one race on her resume beyond 1500.
I'd take Tsegay over Hassan.
The 5k seems to be Hassan's weakest event as she has been unable to break 14.20.
Her 14.22 pb( which she's been unable to better severally) seems to be her peak.
Tsegay on the other hand would not be afraid/be capable of pushing the pace down into the 14.10s ..which is what we need for this race especially after her monstrous 8.16 pb indoors
do you seriously think someone who runs 29 flat for the 10k can’t break 14.20 for 5?
Gidey is not going to push the pace and will likely look to test her speed in a dust up. 3rd to 4th place in this race would be considered a great result for her. How she closes in this field will be an indication of what she will do the rest of the year. To me faith kipyegon is the solid favorite as this will likely turn tactical with major kicking going on. The two athletes to look out for is welteji and cagey freweyni hailu … who hangs back and closes fast. I think they will finish in the top 5. If Taye wants to win this … she will wind it up and cause pain and open it up for the two Ethiopians. Let’s face it. Ethiopia is just so strong in this event. They may not win this race but they have the deepest talent.
I'm guessing Faith would like to see how she can handle a pretty fast pace at this distance. Certainly not WR pace but maybe low 1420s or even faster. So she is probably hoping someone will push it. If there is any runner that doesn't need to work on closing tactics it's Faith Kipyegon.
Makes sense that Gidey won't push the pace. I could actually see Monson pushing if the pace slows. But Taye could be a threat to win and Welteji is a complete wild card.
I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Yes D3 champs in NCAA up through 2022 were mostly full of 14:10ish PB guys just like the women in this field. But what does that have to do with this thread. Why are we comparing one of the most exciting women's fields ever assembled to NCAA D3 men?
The 5k seems to be Hassan's weakest event as she has been unable to break 14.20.
Her 14.22 pb( which she's been unable to better severally) seems to be her peak.
Tsegay on the other hand would not be afraid/be capable of pushing the pace down into the 14.10s ..which is what we need for this race especially after her monstrous 8.16 pb indoors
do you seriously think someone who runs 29 flat for the 10k can’t break 14.20 for 5?
Yes, Until it happens in front of all our eyes. It remains hypothetical. That's the nature of the game, and the yardstick that measures all athletes
You either do it or it didn't happen.
otherwise how many athletes do we attribute cans, ifs and buts to?
Gidey is not going to push the pace and will likely look to test her speed in a dust up. 3rd to 4th place in this race would be considered a great result for her. How she closes in this field will be an indication of what she will do the rest of the year. To me faith kipyegon is the solid favorite as this will likely turn tactical with major kicking going on. The two athletes to look out for is welteji and cagey freweyni hailu … who hangs back and closes fast. I think they will finish in the top 5. If Taye wants to win this … she will wind it up and cause pain and open it up for the two Ethiopians. Let’s face it. Ethiopia is just so strong in this event. They may not win this race but they have the deepest talent.
All that would make sense if this was a "normal" DL race. It's looks much more as if it is the first Ethiopian WC qualifier race for 2023 (They weren't in Hengeloo this year it seems, probably Paris outbid them, hence why Hengeloo could afford a Hassan double instead) with some of the best Kenyans and a few really good 1430-1500 capable "fillers" to keep the race championship pace honest. Reigning champ Gudaf Tsegay aint in it, but doesn't need to be.
So let's assume the top three Ethiopians here in Paris + Gudaf Tsegay will be the Budapest 5000 squad - and the rest will show up in a 10000 meter "trial" somewhere in another two weeks (Lausanne? Stockholm?), possibly with a few HM and Marathon specialists stepping down joining the fun that day. :-)
This never made any sense to me. How can a person who runs 3:52 and 29:07 not be able to break 14:15? It’s like how Kipchoge ran 12:46 and 2:01, but he was reputedly bad at the 10K? Bottom line, I don’t believe it. Hassan is the best 5000 runner in the world until she’s beaten when fit and ready regardless of her current pr. Maybe Tsegay or Kipyegon can do this, probably not. Gidey can’t.
Yes absolutely, thinking Hassan is only worth 14:22 is like thinking Farah in his prime was only worth 7:33 or 12:53.
Hassan crazy range :
1:56
3:51
14:22
29:06
1:05
2:18
And she was never a time chaser but rather a medal chaser.
Mind blowing fact : Her 3:51 1500m best happened in the Doha final she led wire to wire, closing in 59, after having already run and won the 10k final, her 1500m heat and semi final. In the backstretch she put 20 meters on everyone in 10 seconds. I think that was her true prime.
One can only wonder what she could have run in her prime, on fresh legs, with pacing lights and good pacemakers.
I forgot she once ran a 1:56 half mile…that is crazy when you think about it. There is absolutely no reason she can not kill it in a 5000. Sometimes the only reason why something hasn’t happened is because it had not been done.
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