If you look at their results grid on Athletic.net, it’s a pretty embarrassing season for a program that 90 percent of in state talent would jump to run for if given the chance. Not to say they don’t come out lights out next year, but there’s a chance they take this redshirting year and it doesn’t pay off next year.
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lmb wrote:
whatchamacallit wrote:
The only state in the lower 48 to have one true state champion for every event, including cross country. It's a truly special meet. Ask Cole Hocker.
New Jersey has a Meet of Champions with one winner for the whole state in track and cross country.
And New York has Federations for XC and track, which also has one winner for the whole state. Obviously whatchamacallit has no idea what goes on in the 47 other states and is just completely making up facts.
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Resident in the lower 48 wrote:
lmb wrote:
New Jersey has a Meet of Champions with one winner for the whole state in track and cross country.
And New York has Federations for XC and track, which also has one winner for the whole state. Obviously whatchamacallit has no idea what goes on in the 47 other states and is just completely making up facts.
And the results parse out different champions by division so you are wrong. Someone can say they were the division B or C champion. Indiana has a SINGLE champion, no other person can call themselves a state champion unless they win that meet.
New York results here proving it.15 -
Coach Heins is a very good person and will be successful in 5 years- everything is resetting- current success will not forecast future success- and former success will not forecast much either- IU will be fine
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whatchamacallit wrote:
lmb wrote:
New Jersey has a Meet of Champions with one winner for the whole state in track and cross country.
And do any of the losers of that meet still call themselves state champions of their respective class/division, if so then not the same as a single champion from a single meet.
In NY, by definition only the winner of Federations is a state champion.
The whole system is divided into 4 different associations -- NYC public schools, non-NYC public schools, Catholic schools, and private schools. Each of these associations has a champion (and some have multiple champions due to classes / divisions), but obviously none of these associations covers the entire state. I mean NYC alone has a larger population than the entire state of Indiana.
Federations combines the top athletes and teams from all the associations together into a single champion from a single meet.
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whatchamacallit wrote:
Resident in the lower 48 wrote:
And New York has Federations for XC and track, which also has one winner for the whole state. Obviously whatchamacallit has no idea what goes on in the 47 other states and is just completely making up facts.
And the results parse out different champions by division so you are wrong. Someone can say they were the division B or C champion. Indiana has a SINGLE champion, no other person can call themselves a state champion unless they win that meet.
New York results here proving it.No. They can call themselves the NYPHSSA champion. Since no one from the largest school district in the state (and indeed the country) can participate in the NYPHSSA championships, it isn't a state championship. Federations is the state championship.
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whatchamacallit wrote:
Resident in the lower 48 wrote:
And New York has Federations for XC and track, which also has one winner for the whole state. Obviously whatchamacallit has no idea what goes on in the 47 other states and is just completely making up facts.
And the results parse out different champions by division so you are wrong. Someone can say they were the division B or C champion. Indiana has a SINGLE champion, no other person can call themselves a state champion unless they win that meet.
New York results here proving it.It is funny that you looked up the wrong meet though and pointed to the division B and C champions. Perhaps you can look up at the Federations championship on MileSplit, and you will see there are no divisions. When people say that Touhy won the state championship three years in row, that's what they are talking about.
One meet, one champion.
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North Central wrote:
Hoo-Hoo-Hoo Hoosiers wrote:
WTF are you talking about? No one cares about the state championship meet? In what world are you living? And the fact that the meet is not at IU has everything to do with the current coaching and facility staff. Beathea pissed off the IHSAA and former facility staff to no end. Fired most of Helmer's assistants. What's the team done lately? Nothing, that's what.
To be fair, Bethea did retain four of Helmer’s assistants, but he let go of Jay Athur who was Helmer’s son in law who was on the track staff and managed the track facilities and home meets. He replaced Jay with coaches that would coach and recruit rather than run meets. Jay is pretty well connected to the IHSAA and now runs the indoor track at the state fairgrounds, so it was just a matter of time before they pulled the outdoor state meet to go somewhere else. Jay was still helping run the state meet at north central. It’s not any more complicated than that.
Eh, that's close to the story I heard...from Jay :) And also Cory Martin.
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Resident in the lower 48 wrote:
lmb wrote:
New Jersey has a Meet of Champions with one winner for the whole state in track and cross country.
And New York has Federations for XC and track, which also has one winner for the whole state. Obviously whatchamacallit has no idea what goes on in the 47 other states and is just completely making up facts.
Oh look multiple division state winners in New York for Cross country. So as I said. Indiana has one SINGLE person alone who can call themselves a state champion in both track AND cross country events. There are no smaller school division champions.
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Good question. Yes — New York State organizes its high school cross country championships with multiple classes, so there are several state champions. Here’s how it works (roughly):
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How NY State High School XC Championships Are Organized
1. Governing Body
The NYSPHSAA (New York State Public High School Athletic Association) runs the statewide cross country championships.
NYSPHSAA is made up of 11 geographic sections across the state.
2. Classification by School Size
There are four “classes” (divisions) in the state cross country championships: A, B, C, and D.
These classes are based on school enrollment. (So larger schools tend to be in higher classes, smaller schools in lower ones.)
According to NYSPHSAA’s classification philosophy, cross country (as a “combination” sport — team + individual) gets up to four classes when there are enough programs.
3. Championship Format
At the state meet, there are races for both boys and girls in each of the four classes (so 8 main championship races).
Awards are given to:
Top 20 individual finishers in each class.
Top 3 teams in each class.
4. How Teams / Individuals Qualify
Teams and individuals qualify via their section (one of the 11 sections). For example: section champions in each class go to states.
In addition to the automatic qualifiers, there are “at-large” individual spots for fast runners who didn’t make it through team qualification. According to a news report, section 2 (for example) gives “five at-large runners” per class to states.
5. Location
The state meet is hosted at a particular course; for recent/planned years, Queensbury High School (in Section 2) hosts the state championships.
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So, to answer your question directly:
Yes — there are multiple state champions in cross country in New York, because of the different “classes” (A, B, C, D).
There is a team state champion and an individual state champion for each class, for both boys and girls.
The classification is based on school enrollment, which is why smaller and larger schools compete in separate classes for fairer competition.
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If you like, I can pull up recent (past 5–10 years) state champions by class, so you can see which schools win in which divisions — do you want me to do that?
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