Abdi Nageye who is his best friend trains in Kenya. What a hypocrite.
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Maxcrux wrote:
He can talk.His best friend and training mate trains in Kenya.The guy who represents Netherlands and was bronze medalist at the olympics .Should he be suspended too?
Abdi Nagaaye 🇳🇱 won silver at the Olympics. Bashir Abdi 🇧🇪 won bronze. Both are Somali-born. If Kenya (and Ethiopia) were to magically disappear from the scene, they'd be unchallenged. They have no problem training in East Africa, though.
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El Keniano wrote:
Maxcrux wrote:
He can talk.His best friend and training mate trains in Kenya.The guy who represents Netherlands and was bronze medalist at the olympics .Should he be suspended too?
Abdi Nagaaye 🇳🇱 won silver at the Olympics. Bashir Abdi 🇧🇪 won bronze. Both are Somali-born. If Kenya (and Ethiopia) were to magically disappear from the scene, they'd be unchallenged. They have no problem training in East Africa, though.
Bashir just won Rotterdam Marathon, while Nagaaye finished in third.
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jiggymeister wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Abdi Nagaaye 🇳🇱 won silver at the Olympics. Bashir Abdi 🇧🇪 won bronze. Both are Somali-born. If Kenya (and Ethiopia) were to magically disappear from the scene, they'd be unchallenged. They have no problem training in East Africa, though.
Bashir just won Rotterdam Marathon, while Nagaaye finished in third.
To them, the Kenyan who finished second should be banned. If it wasn't for Kenyans they'd be running and winning Boston, London or Tokyo (where the best marathoners show up) this spring.
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vhhgg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You're wrong. You ban a country for widespread doping that doesn't stop. Antidoping shows their doping continues. Kenya hasn't cleaned up its sport. Its athletes have made a mockery of the sport and continue to do so.
You're wrong. You don't know WA's rules.
They aren't rules. It's a decision made on assessment of the situation by WA.
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ButteredKnobs wrote:
"There is so much evidence that the anti-doping system in Kenya does not work. Then you can expect World Athletics to have an answer to that. To be honest, I had expected that those Kenyans would also be suspended, following the Russians, after so many positive doping cases last years. Nothing happens. Other, larger interests probably play a role. But how can we talk about fair sport?"
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Aren't the recent suspensions and busts evidence that the anti-doping system is working, and that someting is happening?
As long as AK and AKAD are fighting doping, the reasons for banning Russia (ARAF and RUSADA) simply do not apply.
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El Keniano wrote:
mbaihaulles wrote:
Bashir Abdi shame on you. You go train in Kenya to sharpen your marathon skills yet talk of them being dopers. Now I even wonder if you yourself are clean!!! Please stay away from training in Kenya!! You can't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm even tempted to think you're one of the Epo smugglers to Kenya!!!!
Abdi trains in Ethiopia. He knows first-hand that doping isn't behind East Africa's depth. He just wants his competition removed so he can win majors, have his face on Belgian cereal boxes and make more money than Belgium stole from the Congo.
That's the ad hominem logical fallacy. You can't argue against the claim that doping is rife in Kenya, as evidenced by enormous #'s, weekly sometimes, of doping positives and whereabouts violations, and that many aren't even in those systems, as evidenced by Abdi's own observations, by arguing that Abdi is himself guilty or using motivated reasoning. Kenya deserves to be banned because it has permitted absolutely crazy levels of doping to go on in the country for decades, and there are so many runners ready to compete at the world stage that they could just send up some newbie doping outside the system for medals or marathon crowns. The only thing stopping that at the championship stage now is the requirement that they have had a series of tests in advance. I'd rather see Kenya competing cleanly at the world stage but what we've seen since the 1990s is anything but drug-free. Kiprop, Cherono, Kipsang, Bett, the list goes on and on and on.
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zxcvzcvx wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Abdi trains in Ethiopia. He knows first-hand that doping isn't behind East Africa's depth. He just wants his competition removed so he can win majors, have his face on Belgian cereal boxes and make more money than Belgium stole from the Congo.
That's the ad hominem logical fallacy. You can't argue against the claim that doping is rife in Kenya, as evidenced by enormous #'s, weekly sometimes, of doping positives and whereabouts violations, and that many aren't even in those systems, as evidenced by Abdi's own observations, by arguing that Abdi is himself guilty or using motivated reasoning. Kenya deserves to be banned because it has permitted absolutely crazy levels of doping to go on in the country for decades, and there are so many runners ready to compete at the world stage that they could just send up some newbie doping outside the system for medals or marathon crowns. The only thing stopping that at the championship stage now is the requirement that they have had a series of tests in advance. I'd rather see Kenya competing cleanly at the world stage but what we've seen since the 1990s is anything but drug-free. Kiprop, Cherono, Kipsang, Bett, the list goes on and on and on.
Hear, hear.
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Your logic is flawed.
Population of Kenya has doubled since 1975 and this is a younger population. than Japan.
Japan population is declining.
It should also be expected that Japan is fading as a marathon power as the sport is now dominated by <13:08 5000m <27:10 10000m runners.
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rekrunner wrote:
ButteredKnobs wrote:
"There is so much evidence that the anti-doping system in Kenya does not work. Then you can expect World Athletics to have an answer to that. To be honest, I had expected that those Kenyans would also be suspended, following the Russians, after so many positive doping cases last years. Nothing happens. Other, larger interests probably play a role. But how can we talk about fair sport?"
nos (dot) nl/artikel/2471488-ook-in-rotterdam-pleit-abdi-voor-eerlijke-sport-had-schorsing-kenianen-verwacht
Aren't the recent suspensions and busts evidence that the anti-doping system is working, and that someting is happening?
As long as AK and AKAD are fighting doping, the reasons for banning Russia (ARAF and RUSADA) simply do not apply.
It escapes you that the problem is a nation doping. It isn't whether or not efforts are being made to stop or reduce it. So what. While they cheat to the degree they do their athletes can't be trusted in what is expected to be drug-free competition. That is reason enough to ban them. It is only politics that they haven't yet been banned.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Aren't the recent suspensions and busts evidence that the anti-doping system is working, and that someting is happening?
As long as AK and AKAD are fighting doping, the reasons for banning Russia (ARAF and RUSADA) simply do not apply.
It escapes you that the problem is a nation doping. It isn't whether or not efforts are being made to stop or reduce it. So what. While they cheat to the degree they do their athletes can't be trusted in what is expected to be drug-free competition. That is reason enough to ban them. It is only politics that they haven't yet been banned.
Sorry -- none of that "escapes" me. It is just pure ignorant nonsense.
The anti-doping system works by design by testing, suspending and sanctioning one athlete at a time.
When Bashir says nothing happened, he is clearly wrong. Many Kenyan athletes have been suspended and banned. In addition to the AIU, the ADAK is also testing and suspending athletes. That is the anti-doping system working exactly as designed.
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jiggymeister wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Abdi Nagaaye 🇳🇱 won silver at the Olympics. Bashir Abdi 🇧🇪 won bronze. Both are Somali-born. If Kenya (and Ethiopia) were to magically disappear from the scene, they'd be unchallenged. They have no problem training in East Africa, though.
Bashir just won Rotterdam Marathon, while Nagaaye finished in third.
Bashir was snuggled between Abdi Bile (Aden’s assistant coach and physically present at the Sabadell bust) and Paula Radcliffe’s husband in the stands at Eugene last summer. Given his choice of friends, Bashir Abdi is most certainly someone that shouldn’t be throwing stones.50 -
rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It escapes you that the problem is a nation doping. It isn't whether or not efforts are being made to stop or reduce it. So what. While they cheat to the degree they do their athletes can't be trusted in what is expected to be drug-free competition. That is reason enough to ban them. It is only politics that they haven't yet been banned.
Sorry -- none of that "escapes" me. It is just pure ignorant nonsense.
The anti-doping system works by design by testing, suspending and sanctioning one athlete at a time.
When Bashir says nothing happened, he is clearly wrong. Many Kenyan athletes have been suspended and banned. In addition to the AIU, the ADAK is also testing and suspending athletes. That is the anti-doping system working exactly as designed.
It's a feeble effort to attempt to praise Kenya for its antidoping efforts when in the past you have condemned the "injustices" of the antidoping system against "innocent athletes" and that system simply shows the extent of the corruption in Kenyan sport.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Sorry -- none of that "escapes" me. It is just pure ignorant nonsense.
The anti-doping system works by design by testing, suspending and sanctioning one athlete at a time.
When Bashir says nothing happened, he is clearly wrong. Many Kenyan athletes have been suspended and banned. In addition to the AIU, the ADAK is also testing and suspending athletes. That is the anti-doping system working exactly as designed.
It's a feeble effort to attempt to praise Kenya for its antidoping efforts when in the past you have condemned the "injustices" of the antidoping system against "innocent athletes" and that system simply shows the extent of the corruption in Kenyan sport.
It's always entertaining to see the fractured kaleidoscope reflection of what I say after it passes through your mind.
There was no attempt, feeble or otherwise, to "praise" AK and ADAK for simply performing their duties as expected.
Simply put, in order for World Athletics to ban AK and ADAK, these bodies have to be found to be doing something wrong. That is the main difference between Kenyan cooperation and Russian corruption. ARAF and RUSADA were secretly undermining anti-doping, leading to less sanctions.
This has nothing to do with your new diversion regarding whether WADA's anti-doping design always leads to just outcomes.
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rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It's a feeble effort to attempt to praise Kenya for its antidoping efforts when in the past you have condemned the "injustices" of the antidoping system against "innocent athletes" and that system simply shows the extent of the corruption in Kenyan sport.
It's always entertaining to see the fractured kaleidoscope reflection of what I say after it passes through your mind.
There was no attempt, feeble or otherwise, to "praise" AK and ADAK for simply performing their duties as expected.
Simply put, in order for World Athletics to ban AK and ADAK, these bodies have to be found to be doing something wrong. That is the main difference between Kenyan cooperation and Russian corruption. ARAF and RUSADA were secretly undermining anti-doping, leading to less sanctions.
This has nothing to do with your new diversion regarding whether WADA's anti-doping design always leads to just outcomes.
But we know from you that all those Kenyan positives are the result of eating contaminated boar testicles. Like Shelby did. More "innocent victims".
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This has nothing to do with Bashir Abdi, AK or ADAK.
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mbaihaulles wrote:
Bashir Abdi shame on you. You go train in Kenya to sharpen your marathon skills yet talk of them being dopers. Now I even wonder if you yourself are clean!!! Please stay away from training in Kenya!! You can't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm even tempted to think you're one of the Epo smugglers to Kenya!!!!
Kenyans should be banned from international competition period. AND athletes who train in Kenya should also be banned from international competition period. 10 years would be the appropriate length of time. Also 5 years' ban for any coaches and managers of such athletes period. The Augean stables of the sport need to be cleaned and these are the only sorts of measures that will resolve the Kenyan doping problem.
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In the usual pattern of bureaucracies seeking ever more power, the regulators are coming to dominate the sport, as if their paperwork refinements of the rules should trump the actual results of races. The testing regime is clearly too complex, bureaucratic and unreliable to justify banning an entire country and all the people who train within its borders. In a world full of dubious pharmaceuticals and supplements, only some of which are even tested before sale, and many of which, like the MRNA vaccines are officially misrepresented, even many individual test violations are highly questionable.
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rekrunner wrote:
This has nothing to do with Bashir Abdi, AK or ADAK.
You condemn antidoping efforts as unfair in one moment (Houlihan, Getzmann, Salazar etc) and then you praise it in another - which is when you think it makes Kenya look good.
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rekrunner wrote:
ButteredKnobs wrote:
"There is so much evidence that the anti-doping system in Kenya does not work. Then you can expect World Athletics to have an answer to that. To be honest, I had expected that those Kenyans would also be suspended, following the Russians, after so many positive doping cases last years. Nothing happens. Other, larger interests probably play a role. But how can we talk about fair sport?"
nos (dot) nl/artikel/2471488-ook-in-rotterdam-pleit-abdi-voor-eerlijke-sport-had-schorsing-kenianen-verwacht
Aren't the recent suspensions and busts evidence that the anti-doping system is working, and that someting is happening?
As long as AK and AKAD are fighting doping, the reasons for banning Russia (ARAF and RUSADA) simply do not apply.
If AK and AKAD can't stop the doping, then the same reasons do apply.
I have trouble believing this guy is clean himself, but he's quite right about Kenya.
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