Connor Burns going for the high school indoor 2 mile record this weekend

If you're that fast why go to Oregon instead of Stanford or another top school?

ACT. Tuohy chose NC State. Young chose NAU.

This mentality is why we can rarely compete with the Africans. Jakob has been running 90 MPW since he was 12. Kenyan's have run thousands of miles commuting to school before they even start formal training. Same arguments about mileage were made about Nico/Tuohy/Ritz/Hall/Rupp and more in HS before seeing huge improvements in college and beyond.

I have no idea if Burns will improve or not, but these blanket beliefs that anyone training hard before college will have peaked are dumb.

I'd say no chance. It's a combination of a very solid time for that age and nobody running that distance past high school.

High schoolers are too weak (Even the best in recent years can't break 8:29 and they have to run 8:25? no way), college freshman sophomores are running either 3000m or 5000m, and nobody international would touch the distance unless they are paid.

I agree with everything you said

I think this idea comes from people like Cole Hocker or Grant Fisher who ran 30-40 mpw in high school, and then go on to become world beaters in college or as pros. The issue with that thinking is, is that if these guys had trained like Burns apparently is, they would have been close to that level earlier

If he’s in around 4 min shape then yes he can get this record. Awesome to see him go for it, I hope the outdoor 2 mile record also goes down this year.

No, Burns was the third, Birnbaum was fourth; technically, Verzbicas was still a HS junior when he ran under four. Ryun was first, Verzbicas second, Burns third.

The asterisk indicates a junior.

MILE
3:53.43
Alan Webb (South Lakes, Reston, Virginia)
2001
3:55.3
Jim Ryun (East, Wichita, Kansas)
1965
3:56.24
Colin Sahlman (Newbury Park, California)
2022
3:56.8
————Ryun
1965
3:57.66i
Hobbs Kessler (Skyline, Ann Arbor, Michigan)
2021
3:57.81i
Drew Hunter (Loudoun Valley, Purcellville, Virginia)
2016
3:57.89
Gary Martin (Wood, Warminster, Pennsylvaia)
2022
3:57.98
————Martin
2022
3:58.1
————Ryun
1965
3:58.25i
————Hunter
2016
3:58.3
————Ryun
1965
3:58.81i
————Sahlman
2022
3:58.83
*Connor Burns (Southern Boone, Ashland, Missouri)
2022
3:58.86
————Hunter
2016
3:59.0
————*Ryun
1964
3:59.30
Reed Brown (Carroll, Southlake, Texas)
2017
3:59.33
Rheinhardt Harrison (Nease, Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida)
2022
3:59.38
Matthew Maton (Summit, Bend, Oregon)
2015
3:59.38
Grant Fisher (Grand Blanc, Michigan)
2015
3:59.4
Tim Danielson (Chula Vista, California)
1966
3:59.51
*Simeon Birnbaum (Stevens, Rapid City, South Dakota)
2022
3:59.53
Michael Slagowski (Rocky Mountain, Meridian, Idaho)
2016
3:59.54
Leo Daschbach (Highland, Gilbert, Arizona)
2020
3:59.71
*Lukas Verzbicas’ (Sandburg, Orland Park, Illinois)

Not to throw off the thread, but I'm pretty sure Verzbicas never had a HS junior season. I remember reading that he took summer classes to graduate with his appropriate class-age after his "sophomore" year where he was Footlocker champ. His sub 4 at the Dream Mile in NY was definitely in his senior season and he was 18.

So old

To go out in 4:15-16 suggests his father thinks he can crush the record and run low 8:30s. Ryun, also a very good but not the best xc runner, ran 8:25.2 as a freshman after running 3:55. A 3:58 guy can run low 8:30s.

No, technically, he was still a junior in HS, athletically, irrespective of age or academic standing. That is how it works, I did not write the rules, but I do know them as a former HS athletic director in the state of IL.

He'll have to duke it out with Hunter Jones and a few other sub 9 guys coming back this year. He might not even win the race let alone get the record.

Yeah, he might run 3:55 this year and only improve by 4-5 seconds in college. Total scrub.

Does anyone have a link to entries? There have been references to Heidesch and Jones and these other sub-9 returners; it would be great to see the field.

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Burns/Noah Breker/Jackson Heidesch/Wyatt Haughton in the 2 mile

Hunter Jones the top seed in the mile

No. He is one of the best ever. But it is silly to say high level training doesn't get one closer to their potential or nobody would have to train.

Sure, no argument there. But at a point it’s like what does it matter?—Ingebrigtsen has only improved his 1500 PR by 2.86 seconds from age 17 to now, age 22. Would it have been better if he’d trained less at an early age? Are there a host of guys who were slower at age 17 who are about to overtake him?

What’s silly is disparaging a 3:58 high school kid for doing serious training.