This is so inspiring, and will change the way we celebrate Thanksgiving next year at the Prattle household.
Up to now we have been dedicating it to indoor plumbing.
What were we thinking?!
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seattle prattle wrote:
This is so inspiring, and will change the way we celebrate Thanksgiving next year at the Prattle household.
Up to now we have been dedicating it to indoor plumbing.
What were we thinking?!
You get the rest of the year to thank indoor plumbing
It’s during Thanks Giving that we can really appreciate fossil fuel due to what it is giving us in terms of transportation ease.
Even the food on your table was brought there due to the wonders of fossil fuel.
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I'm thankful for my new EV. Fast, quiet, no more gasoline lines, fuel bills, oil changes. Just plug in overnight when I get home Friday night and can go all week! You should try it!
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unpopular opinion wrote:
Fossil fuels get a bad rap but have done more to benefit humanity than almost any other discovery or invention. Think about it, how long would it take you to push a half-ton cart or wheelbarrow for 25+ miles on hilly terrain in the cold or heat? Now consider that the same can be done with just a gallon of gas. It takes just a few seconds to fill up that gallon, and only 15-20 minutes of labor on a low wage to earn that gallon. Isn't that a miracle?
Now consider the following:
- The vast majority of Americans and Europeans can heat their homes in winter, thanks to the wonders of natural gas. 17th century kings would be shivering around a fireplace.
- Suppose you'd like to go from London to Los Angeles. For much of the 1800s, it would take a few months to cross the Atlantic and close to a year to reach the west coast. A few centuries before, nobody had even made that journey. Now, it's just a routine 11-hour flight.
- Environmental conditions have greatly improved. Prior to the 20th century, the streets were literally filled with horsesh!t, and huge areas of forest were cut down for firewood and fuel. Today, the world has more trees than it did 35 years ago.
It may be trendy to hate modern society, but I thank God I was born in the 1990s and not the 1790s.
As long as you are also thankful for lake ice cutters, milk men, kerosene lanterns, outhouses, wood burning stoves, plows pulled by oxen, home coal delivery, rotary phones, 8-track tapes, telegraph, sundials, analog television, VCRs, mimeographs, card catalogs, phone books, slide rules, sextants, and castles (among other things), then ok.
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Grassrunner wrote:
I'm thankful for my new EV. Fast, quiet, no more gasoline lines, fuel bills, oil changes. Just plug in overnight when I get home Friday night and can go all week! You should try it!
this really is the level of lunacy we are dealing with. How much more than the equivalent ice was your ev? 10k? more?
No, you wont wait in gas lines, but you will have to drive past ev chargers cos someone is already using it and it takes 30mins to an hour each time.
Most car breakdowns arent the ice, they are the wheels, tyres, suspension, electronics and electrics - did you notice the last two?
and the real morans are the ones who buy an ev and do hardly any mileage and say it is a good thing. the more you drive, the more savings yuo shoudl theoretically make, but oh, the earlier points abut fuel then kick in. mway ev charging points are already at parity with petrol in some countries.
evs have a higher overall co2 footprint.
have you noticed that you never see tesla's cruising at over 60mph on the motorway? battery goes flat too quickly at 'high' speed.
i was at the channel tunnel stopped next to a porche ev. he had the door open since he couldnt 'afford' to run the ac!!!
etc. the only thing ev owners is is smug and self priviliged.
noticed that cheap chinese evs arent arriving? why not? they will ruin tesla and also the batteries will show the real future; replacing every five years at 80% of car value, plus catching fire and buring down housing blocks.
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unpopular opinion wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
Why do you think they get a “bad rap” then?
Because of doom-mongers who sensationalize global warming.
And as long as those people are wrong, fossil fuels are great. Let’s hope they’re wrong!
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Chevy EUV, $30K. Get recharged at home (level 2 charger set up paid for by GM), fully charged overnight. Can also get level 2 recharge at nearby car dealership overnight (free). No issues with driving the speeds needed or using electrical features draining my battery too fast because I'm home every night to charge if needed. I can easily get 270 miles on my typical commuting patterns on one charge.
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I drive about $1500/mo. Gasoline saved: 900 gal/yr = $3240/yr.
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so you do 27000 miles a year? (900 x 30).
so you get 519 miles from one charge? (27000/52)
this is the level of delusion we are dealing with.
ev owner hung by his own statements.
oh, and the chevy bolt euv only does 247 miles on a charge https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/bolt-euv and at a cost of 30k i would say it is about 15k more than the equivalent ice. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/citroen/c3.
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pupil3142 wrote:
so you do 27000 miles a year? (900 x 30).
so you get 519 miles from one charge? (27000/52)
this is the level of delusion we are dealing with.
ev owner hung by his own statements.
oh, and the chevy bolt euv only does 247 miles on a charge https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/bolt-euv and at a cost of 30k i would say it is about 15k more than the equivalent ice. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/citroen/c3.
1500 mi/mo.= 18,000 mi/yr. 20 mi/gal of gas avg, @ $3.60/gal. x 18,000 mi/yr=$3240/yr saved.
247 mi/charge is if you're driving lots of highway, etc., Not my situation. I get much better mileage per charge as most of my driving is at speeds between 30-50 mph. There is no equivalent new vehicle to a new Bolt EUV Premier in the USA that is in the neighborhood of $15K.
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I am actually getting interested in this.
what sort of a car is a bolt euv? it looks like a compact. its definietly not an suv.
the citroen c3 looks pretty similar.
oh, and the premier is $38495 - reduced by $5000 from previous year.
i love the fact that when the subsidies stopped, the car makers dropped the prices. who was the bigger fool, the govt, the taxpayer or the buyer? all three i would say.
do you park and charge your car in the garage?
apparently your level 2 charger only adds 20 miles of charge mileage per hour? so 20 hours for a normal ice fill up?
20mpg? to be frank, i am a little embarassed that both of my machines only do 36mpg although i can get both down in the low 20s quite easily. surely the us must have most ices doing 40+ now? as for $3.6 - we pay well over 8
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Grassrunner wrote:
pupil3142 wrote:
so you do 27000 miles a year? (900 x 30).
so you get 519 miles from one charge? (27000/52)
this is the level of delusion we are dealing with.
ev owner hung by his own statements.
oh, and the chevy bolt euv only does 247 miles on a charge https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/bolt-euv and at a cost of 30k i would say it is about 15k more than the equivalent ice. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/citroen/c3.
1500 mi/mo.= 18,000 mi/yr. 20 mi/gal of gas avg, @ $3.60/gal. x 18,000 mi/yr=$3240/yr saved.
247 mi/charge is if you're driving lots of highway, etc., Not my situation. I get much better mileage per charge as most of my driving is at speeds between 30-50 mph. There is no equivalent new vehicle to a new Bolt EUV Premier in the USA that is in the neighborhood of $15K.
How much does the Electric Dust Fairy charge you for electricity? How much did the she get billed for the fossil fuels that made the Electric Dust?
I'm just asking for a friend.
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Past peak oil wrote:
Thank the oil while you can and you are right about it. Without oil we would not have machines and plastics to make our daily lives better. Soon we are running out of it and once that is happening it will be grim.
That's why we need to get as much of it as we can, while we still can. More fracking, more offshore drilling. Start drilling in ANWR and bring back coal liquefaction. Instead, we have people in office promoting the opposite.
Will it all run out? Yes, eventually, just like the sun will eventually burn out. But even if this buys just a bit of time, a golden age from 1950-2100 is far better than a golden age from 1950-2030 or whatever year they're trying to phase out fossil fuels by.
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bong hits for rojo wrote:
Letsrun MO, all right-wing, all the time. Trolls never sleep.
Seriously, fossil fuels have brought us a long ways, and there is still a way to go because we still rely on them and there is no getting around that. However, there are other ways and looking forward to further development of renewables and cleaner fuels over the coming decades.
EXACTLY- WE STILL RELY ON FOSSIL FUELS. BIDEN GAVE OUR PIPELINE TO RUSSIA, & NOW WE'RE BEGGING OPEC & SCUMBAG COUNTRIES FOR MUCH DIRTIER ENERGY THAN THAT PIPELINE PRODUCED. UNDER TRUMP, MUSK, TESLA & EV'S BECAME SIGNIFICANT & GREW HUGE.
You call that trolling? I call it truth.
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You might want to peddle your oil company Public Relations spiel over to the messageboards for the nation's colleges. Apparently roughly 20 colleges and universities announced last year that they would be divesting their endowments from the fossil fuel industry.
Don't worry, you can do that Monday, as your oil company bosses probably gave you today off.
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where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:
Apparently roughly 20 colleges and universities announced last year that they would be divesting their endowments from the fossil fuel industry.
20? Wow that's a lot. I wonder if anyone else wants that stock.
Seriously, colleges are among the most self-pampered tech-utopian libbos out there. Harvard and the Cal U system shuttle tens of thousands of kids from around the world, back and forth between school and home for holidays, using jet aircraft as the world's most polluting school bus.
Half of what they teach them is phony knowledge from schools of pseudo thought generated by cloistered, self-affirming peer-review exempt from real-world review. The CA is great poster from the other thread is proud to pay lots of taxes for this.42 -
Bad Wigins wrote:
where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:
Apparently roughly 20 colleges and universities announced last year that they would be divesting their endowments from the fossil fuel industry.
20? Wow that's a lot. I wonder if anyone else wants that stock.
Seriously, colleges are among the most self-pampered tech-utopian libbos out there. Harvard and the Cal U system shuttle tens of thousands of kids from around the world, back and forth between school and home for holidays, using jet aircraft as the world's most polluting school bus.
Half of what they teach them is phony knowledge from schools of pseudo thought generated by cloistered, self-affirming peer-review exempt from real-world review. The CA is great poster from the other thread is proud to pay lots of taxes for this.
Well, at least we can agree on this part from your usual dumf*k trolling:
"using jet aircraft as the world's most polluting school bus."
But did you ever think that they might be commuting with Daddy's Tesla or Chevy Volt?
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pupil3142 wrote:
Grassrunner wrote:
I'm thankful for my new EV. Fast, quiet, no more gasoline lines, fuel bills, oil changes. Just plug in overnight when I get home Friday night and can go all week! You should try it!
this really is the level of lunacy we are dealing with. How much more than the equivalent ice was your ev? 10k? more?
No, you wont wait in gas lines, but you will have to drive past ev chargers cos someone is already using it and it takes 30mins to an hour each time.
Most car breakdowns arent the ice, they are the wheels, tyres, suspension, electronics and electrics - did you notice the last two?
and the real morans are the ones who buy an ev and do hardly any mileage and say it is a good thing. the more you drive, the more savings yuo shoudl theoretically make, but oh, the earlier points abut fuel then kick in. mway ev charging points are already at parity with petrol in some countries.
evs have a higher overall co2 footprint.
have you noticed that you never see tesla's cruising at over 60mph on the motorway? battery goes flat too quickly at 'high' speed.
i was at the channel tunnel stopped next to a porche ev. he had the door open since he couldnt 'afford' to run the ac!!!
etc. the only thing ev owners is is smug and self priviliged.
noticed that cheap chinese evs arent arriving? why not? they will ruin tesla and also the batteries will show the real future; replacing every five years at 80% of car value, plus catching fire and buring down housing blocks.
You will be buying an EV some day.
You probably raged against microwaves when they came out.
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Ex L wrote:
It got my daughter home today.
A thousand miles in a couple of hours.Whoa! How fast did she drive?
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unpopular opinion wrote:
Fossil fuels get a bad rap but have done more to benefit humanity than almost any other discovery or invention. Think about it, how long would it take you to push a half-ton cart or wheelbarrow for 25+ miles on hilly terrain in the cold or heat? Now consider that the same can be done with just a gallon of gas. It takes just a few seconds to fill up that gallon, and only 15-20 minutes of labor on a low wage to earn that gallon. Isn't that a miracle?
Now consider the following:
- The vast majority of Americans and Europeans can heat their homes in winter, thanks to the wonders of natural gas. 17th century kings would be shivering around a fireplace.
- Suppose you'd like to go from London to Los Angeles. For much of the 1800s, it would take a few months to cross the Atlantic and close to a year to reach the west coast. A few centuries before, nobody had even made that journey. Now, it's just a routine 11-hour flight.
- Environmental conditions have greatly improved. Prior to the 20th century, the streets were literally filled with horsesh!t, and huge areas of forest were cut down for firewood and fuel. Today, the world has more trees than it did 35 years ago.
It may be trendy to hate modern society, but I thank God I was born in the 1990s and not the 1790s.
Amen. Great post.
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