Katelyn Tuohy in perspective

Gidey and Hassan are obviously doping. If you cannot admit it, who cares. Tell us again about that East African running gene that explains it all. Lol.

When people start these type of threads but then act as if in the pro ranks this is allegedly a clean sport, are they being ingnorant or willfully obtuse?

Between 2018-2021, 90% of KT threads were hoping she could recover & bounce back from a few years of injury.

Last year during the Olympic season, not a single person wondered if KT would make the team. Thus, not a single person postulated that KT was a world beater.

This outdoor track season and cross country season have made us happy that she is getting closer to the potential she displayed as 15 year old.

Was Zola Budd injured from age 16-19?

What about Emma Coburn. Everyone who was faster than her was doping but now is the bar tuohy?

This is like when Donald Trump says the votes aren't correct if he didn't win lol

Glad to hear that Tuohy fans realize that she is no world beater. She was a great high school runner but not as fast as Cook or Hutchins. She is a great NCAA runner but not a record holder.

How can she be a generational talent when Cook and Hutchins ran faster times and a low mileage Valby lost by 2 seconds in a bad tactical race?

The fact that Tuohy won an NCAA cross country championship alone makes her special. That’s a major victory that a number of the USA’s best female runners, record breakers, and world beaters never achieved, such as Lynn Jennings, Deena Kastor, Jenny Simpson, Molly Huddle, and Emma Coburn. Add Tuohy’s NCAA cross country championship to her NCAA track 5K championship and all her high school accolades, and you get a special runner.

My question is: Less than a week after Tuohy’s big win, why do you feel a need to diminish her?

14:48 in bare feet is outrageous

actually according to wikipedia she ran 10,000 in 36:44.88 so I got her beat

I think most are relieved that a HS phenom female ha succeeded past her 17 th birthday

No the difference Astro, is that I take the" innocent until proven guilty" theme seriously. Obviously you don't, which is very Anti-American of you. Your accusation of Valby by way of Solinsky is reprehensible and very childish. It is also a very dangerous slippery slope (Kafkaesque) where people are deemed guilty without proof of any kind.

I have no sympathy for Houlihan as she went though a vetted process to establish her guilt - or there isn't any point to anti-doping (WADA, USADA) processes at all. I have reservations about the whereabouts sanctions as they do not, of themselves. connote guilt of a doping infraction, but it has its purpose. But I don't by extension carry her guilt to anyone else associated with her, only the childish and cynical will do that.

What I find offensive is tools like you, who have no influence on this sport other than this message board, besmirching athletes, and by extension coaches, who are trying to attain higher levels in this sport, often in spite of poor remuneration, for the sake of the sport. People like you are just pathetic creatures who take the sport into a dark side, sadly you are much like Trump - if you lie often enough, you and others come to believe the lie. It certainly isn't naivete - I have my suspicions, I just keep them to myself until I can prove these suspicions (or the AD agencies do their job). Perhaps you might have some integrity to do the same. But I won't hold my breath. It is people like you that make this place so toxic.

But Cook and Hutchins were faster at the same age. If age doesn't count, then Tuohy is behind a dozen Americans right now who are in their twenties. A generational talent says that somebody is the best in a generation. Tuohy is not even the best, just one of the best of a large group.

At 15?

Tuohy broke records from the mile to the 5000m. Without supershoes. But ok.

The point is that Tuohy is now almost old enough to be reasonably certain that she was not (merely) a teen phenom. One cannot be sure because e.g. Efraimson ran around 4:05 until she was about 22 but eventually got worse, never bettered her PB as 18 yo, and bogged down by injuries. But it's a much better bet than with 16 yo in HS or even with 18-19 yo freshmen.

If Tuohy is doping then she's obviously doing it legally.

On rubber track, barefoot is a fine fast lightfooted way to run a 5000. Probably faster than the spikes of the 1980s. Maybe even now... but no ShoeCo dollars. Just need to adjust a bit. Zola was certainly used to it.

Always looking for an excuse. Do you realize that everything Tuohy has done in college is with super shoes? I guess we should throw it all aways becuase everyone before her did it the old fashioned way.