Editor's note on 7/2/2024- This old thread is getting a lot of clicks as lots of people are googling Nikki Hiltz after NBC published an article "Transgender runner Nikki Hiltz is headed to the Paris Olympics" on her making the Olympic team. The article should have noted that Hiltz's is biological female and not on testosterone as World Athletics forbids that. Hiltz does not have an unfair advantage over the other competitors.
We can barely get competent announcing/broadcasting in this sport as it is. It's one thing when you have some jabroni from FloTrack who may use the wrong pronouns because they are a moron, but when Kara Goucher, who is a big supporter of Nikki, slips up, and immediately and genuinely apologizes, I don't know what else one can expect.
Agreed. I think basically every commentator is trying their best and just make honest mistakes. It's also pretty tough to do on the fly in the chaos of race. Fortunately for the commentators, Hiltz hasn't been up front in too many races lately so they haven't had to worry.
I think it's a safe assumption that most Non-binary activists are also liberal. Is it lost on them that there are other social issues far more pressing than "pronouns?" It seems BEYOND selfish.
You could say this to anyone complaining about anything that isn't climate change, war, or some other huge global problem. Like I know your car broke down, but is it lost on you that this is nowhere near as pressing as slowing CO2 emissions? It seems beyond selfish that you would care about your car at times like these.
Nah, that's not true. When your car breaks down, CNN doesn't cover it...and you don't get offended when people don't address your transportation issue as you want them to. Big difference.
I think it's a safe assumption that most Non-binary activists are also liberal. Is it lost on them that there are other social issues far more pressing than "pronouns?" It seems BEYOND selfish.
The complaint about pronoun is only a tiny part of the article. OP made it the central issue in his headline.
Maybe OP should be concerned about more pressing issues than a nonbinary person's pronoun.
And maybe you should be concerned about something more pressing than a nonbinary person's political ideology.
Don't get it twisted, Hiltz has repeatedly indicated that the motivation to do this is to stand up for youth and make it easier for them going forward. Hiltz is making the point that those who purport to be allies need to do better, any thinking person who speaks for a living should be able to adapt.
Please someone explain to me how the point of promoting fealty to new rules of etiquette which require everyone else in the world to remember all your own idiosyncratic identity labels and address you in language that doesn't come naturally to anyone "is to stand up for youth and make it easier for them going forward."
You really think that the genderflecting, identity label flaunting and pronoun flexing that the young people in this scene from "Shameless" are doing - and they expect everyone they meet to engage in - is gonna make life easier for them going forward?
Also, there are lots of people in the world whose lives are and will be made more difficult by this new etiquette around newfangled identity labels and pronouns. Such as people with language processing difficulties, learning disabilities, autism, hearing impairments, low IQ and many conditions that cause memory to be poor like dementia, menopause, pernicious anemia, traumatic head injuries, clinical depression, brain fog from sinus infections and nasal allergies, and being exhausted and overwhelmed from things like overwork, lack of sleep and having recently given birth and having a mewling newborn and other kids to take care of.
Not to mention all the many millions of immigrants and foreign visitors, students and workers in the USA for whom English is an additional language that they're still learning - a language that many people from other linguistic traditions have trouble getting the hang of.
When you begin to consider all the people negatively impacted by the new rules of English language etiquette first invented and peddled by youngsters on school campuses and by ivory-tower academics who teach queer theory and like to engage in power plays, it turns out that it's really not very "inclusive" at all.
I think it's a safe assumption that most Non-binary activists are also liberal. Is it lost on them that there are other social issues far more pressing than "pronouns?" It seems BEYOND selfish.
The complaint about pronoun is only a tiny part of the article. OP made it the central issue in his headline.
Maybe OP should be concerned about more pressing issues than a nonbinary person's pronoun.
And maybe you should be concerned about something more pressing than a nonbinary person's political ideology.
I'm assuming Nikki Hiltz is very liberal politically. Most liberals have consistently championed social justice. Those causes have merit, and many of them continue to be issues in this country.
You're right, the article does have more to it than just being "mis-gendered," and honestly, it's confusing as all get out.
A previous poster noted this was white privilege personified, and that's spot on.
The complaint about pronoun is only a tiny part of the article. OP made it the central issue in his headline.
Maybe OP should be concerned about more pressing issues than a nonbinary person's pronoun.
And maybe you should be concerned about something more pressing than a nonbinary person's political ideology.
I'm assuming Nikki Hiltz is very liberal politically. Most liberals have consistently championed social justice. Those causes have merit, and many of them continue to be issues in this country.
You're right, the article does have more to it than just being "mis-gendered," and honestly, it's confusing as all get out.
A previous poster noted this was white privilege personified, and that's spot on.
But most liberals traditionally were generally liberal and tolerant. Whereas today many of the people who supposedly champion so-called "social justice" and "diversity, equity and inclusion" are stuck-up snobs and finger-wagging scolds who want to police and control everyone else's thoughts and language and can't handle anyone disagreeing with them.
A new term - YIPs - has been invented for today's younger illiberal "folx." It stands for young illiberal progressives.
Also, one of the supposed "social justice" and "civil rights" causes that Nikki Hiltz is promoting - males being allowed to use gender identity claims to enter women's and girls' sports and spaces - directly conflicts with other "social justice" causes. Such as women's hard-won rights, fair play for female people in sports, Me Too, protecting people who are vulnerable, helping survivors of sexual assault and abuse, fair treatment for Muslim and orthodox Jewish women and girls, and the rights of gay men and lesbians to exclude people of the opposite sex from their dating pools and not to be subjected to "sex by deception."
Many fair-minded people who have been advocates of social justice and civil rights for all their whole lives like Martina Navratilova, Nancy Hogshead-Makar, Sharron Davies and JK Rowling are for being decent and kind to people with trans, non-binary and other gender identities - but they're against gender identity ideology and the extreme demands being made in the name of "trans rights" because they see the harms.
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"Comfort must not be expected by folks that go a pleasuring."
So take a break, triple-x guy. Your response is certainly arrogant, if you're at all self-aware. Hiltz is taking it upon herself to coach allies, she's really just saying "do better." It's okay if you and your brethren let that get under your skin, I think she's fine if the mighty LRC cognoscenti can't take that in-stride.
Yes, ironic. 🤦
Now drop and give me 50. Maybe there's a way for those of us, incapable of keeping up with gender fluidity, to self flagellate enough to get a pass?
so she was a woman, now identifies as a man but runs in the womens? or fluid?
all our character's are fluid, this is normal. not some reason to invent something new just for you. we cant all do this.
lets see the first commentator taken to court for calling contestants in the women's races 'she / her etc'.
I believe she stated that some days she identifies as one gender, other days as another gender.
And the MSM calls her heroic!
Whoa, whoa......you guys are making waaaayyyy too much sense! Yes, I do not get how she 'identifies' as different genders yet enters in the female races. Then gets hacked off that people call her, 'her'... Stay out of female races if that is not how you identify.
And the thread that asks if gender can change mid-race......I think you found your answer..
Whoa, whoa......you guys are making waaaayyyy too much sense! Yes, I do not get how she 'identifies' as different genders yet enters in the female races. Then gets hacked off that people call her, 'her'... Stay out of female races if that is not how you identify.
And the thread that asks if gender can change mid-race......I think you found your answer..
Are you saying anyone who does not identify as female should stay out of women's races?
If a trans woman enters the men's race, and gets upset because she is misgendered, what would you say? Don't enter men's races if you don't identify as a male?
Whoa, whoa......you guys are making waaaayyyy too much sense! Yes, I do not get how she 'identifies' as different genders yet enters in the female races. Then gets hacked off that people call her, 'her'... Stay out of female races if that is not how you identify.
And the thread that asks if gender can change mid-race......I think you found your answer..
Are you saying anyone who does not identify as female should stay out of women's races?
If a trans woman enters the men's race, and gets upset because she is misgendered, what would you say? Don't enter men's races if you don't identify as a male?
Don't enter if you don't want to be referred to as "he." If you identify as a ruler, but don't mind being called a "he," then you're good. But if you identify as anything else, you're welcome in the race, but you'd have to be ok with the standards of the English language.
Whoa, whoa......you guys are making waaaayyyy too much sense! Yes, I do not get how she 'identifies' as different genders yet enters in the female races. Then gets hacked off that people call her, 'her'... Stay out of female races if that is not how you identify.
And the thread that asks if gender can change mid-race......I think you found your answer..
Are you saying anyone who does not identify as female should stay out of women's races?
If a trans woman enters the men's race, and gets upset because she is misgendered, what would you say? Don't enter men's races if you don't identify as a male?
You can enter any race you want. But stick to one gender or non-binary.....can't switch it up. Major marathons starting to pay non-binary, so now you have 3 choices....stick to one. If you feel like male as a woman, enter the men's races and stay there.
To a Trans woman entering a men's race in a high stakes race like the OTs, I would say, "best of luck". They are not getting sponsored or winning any $$ as a transgender in a male race.
Thanks for the implicit blue check, Letsrun. Boop can't have the hoi polloi commenting on this subject. (Bop pronouns are beep, bop, boop)
What's their (Nikki's) position on transgender women competing in women's track and field? Beep am guessing that, in keeping with their principles, they would say absolutely that "transgender women" should be recognized simply as "women".
Then boop have Nikki Hiltz gaming the gender issue a bit by using the pronouns "she" and "they" - and then also competing in women's sport rather than men's sport. "The word I use currently to describe my gender is non-binary,” they continued. “The best way I can explain my gender is as fluid.” Which means, I guess, that the choice ought to be theirs alone and not the sports authority that governs the sport. They also gets to complain when people associated with the sport call them "she" rather than "they".
We can barely get competent announcing/broadcasting in this sport as it is. It's one thing when you have some jabroni from FloTrack who may use the wrong pronouns because they are a moron, but when Kara Goucher, who is a big supporter of Nikki, slips up, and immediately and genuinely apologizes, I don't know what else one can expect.
Agreed. I think basically every commentator is trying their best and just make honest mistakes.
What broadcasts are you watching? Anything I’ve seen here in the US features commentary that is obviously thoughtless and the result of mediocre preparation.
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