NYC marathon discriminating against men and women who get $13 per entrant in prize money while non-binary runners get $250.

They deserve absolutely no prize money. This is just a big joke by snowflakes at NYRR.

I’m actually intrigued to see what time the top non-binary runner will run. At least they aren’t taking money from the “traditional elites”.

I hope the winning time is sub 2:40. If not, I think we will see some imposter non-binary males running next year to snatch $5K. This is the kind of thing that I think will sort itself out if enough money is offered. There’s no real way to disprove somebody’s gender identity.

I am all for the non-binary category, but I still don't see the reason for equal prize money, other than the organizers want to promote the category.

Non-binary can be a wide variety of people who do not want to be labeled as male or female. There is nothing that defines this category, theoretically anyone could enter it, so it isn't an equal competition like the men's race and women's race.

To me it is more akin to the age categories: something to recognize and celebrate, but not make it a main feature of the competition.

Privilege? It’s the opposite of privilege. No preferential hiring and college admissions, no preferential government contracts, and constantly being blamed for everything. I refuse to use the woke word “cisgender”, but as a straight white male I’ve been discriminated against because of my race, gender, and sexuality.

The new category and the prize money that accompanies it is a decision for NYRR alone. Runners who disapprove can choose to NOT participate in the NYC Marathon.

If the policy hurts the revenue stream, the policy will change because it's all about money.

I think I was 2 and a half, maybe 3 years old. Someone asked me - "are you a boy or a girl?" And I emphatically shouting "IMA BOY" because this is when you figure this out developmentally. I then moved on intellectually to figure out answers to questions that would actually allow me to contribute to society. I feel sad for people who know less than a 3 year old, but this is what childhood abuse can do to someone.

I think the thing that can be irksome, is when people decide they can make up for past injustices, by taking bold actions in the present.

So, let’s assume that in the 70s, 80s and 90s, people who blatantly didn’t or couldn’t conform to a certain standard of masculinity or femininity (as the case may be), had it hard in life, even to the point of violence.

And now people have the tendency to think that you can remedy that by making a big push to do something for TODAY‘s population of people who blatantly don’t or can’t conform to today‘s (admittedly far looser)standard of masculinity or femininity (whichever one is on that person’s birth certificate), but — how do you do right by people generally?

it seems like on some level, people reason that we should take the lollipops away from the little boys playing with toy dumptrucks, and give the lollipops to the little boys playing hairdresser, and that would „even up the score“ in some way.

ive heard it called flipping the chessboard. Anytime someone starts making an argument that is along the lines of flipping the chessboard, I am generally VERY suspicious. Well intentioned maybe, but not something I support.

generally, I think that any decent person doesn’t want stuff (privilege, recognition, lollipops) at the expense of someone who is equally deserving but not from a category that got beat up in parking lots regularly in this country‘s recent past.

Yeah i think a lot of reaction from conservatives is often based around fear they might have to share their lollipops.

So much so that, even just seeing someone else with the same lollipop they have, sends them into a triggered reactionary frenzy.

See OP of this thread for an example.

From Canada. It's odd that both of your parties seem to require only a certain view on various topics.

Never met rojo but he seems like a dick head with every post. He's rich, outgoing and makes himself publicly visible but I have a feeling he has no friends apart from his bride he bought.

From the US. It's odd that people in NATO freeloader countries have a lot to say about the country that protects them.

If we actually examine 'non-binary' identity for longer than 30 seconds we soon find it includes absolutely everyone on earth. If gender is indeed a spectrum as the 'non-binary' insist, then there are two ends to the spectrum which presumably are 'absolute masculinity' and 'absolute femininity'. The insurmountable problem is, the factors which describe, say, masculinity are wide-ranging and not neatly linked (i.e. height, aggression, beard growth, musculature, repression of emotion, etc), so it is literally impossible to be fully at one end of the spectrum, because the tallest man, the most aggressive man, and the hairiest man are not all the same person. And the man with the biggest biceps might also like watching romcoms, so he's plopped at some indeterminate place on the spectrum and therefore, non-binary. Ask a 'non-binary' person to define what their identity means and they immediately start talking in 1950s gender stereotypes.

Declaring yourself as 'non-binary' is just another way of saying you have narcissistic personality disorder or that you strongly believe that masculine traits have no place in being a woman, and that feminine traits shouldn't be displayed by men. This is an utterly regressive and intolerant mindset which ought to be challenged more

I was just talking to a woman who I know very well, about this subject. Her opinion is that the push to normalize transgenderism and non-binary categories in sports is not because well intentioned people are trying to help the marginalized. She said it’s just another way for men to harm for women, particularly since women are now going to college and professional schools as much (or some countries more) than men.

No you've been discriminated against because of your dick attitude.

You know, Rojo...if you stuck to running topics and helping runners which you seem to be good at instead of alienating people different from you LR might have a wider audience.

Says a guy who has almost certainly never won anything besides maybe a free pancake breakfast at the local rotary 5k.

The male, female, and trans athletes that raced NY are all 100x the athlete that you are. Cope more.

Oh, please. With an attitude like that, you're an embarrassment to our country.

I'll say this for the NYRR: they really know how to make the trans run on time.

I'm not heavily invested in non-binary athletics, but requiring board registration to keep the crap posters out of your pet threads while not doing so for the forum in general kind of bugs me.

One might think that a reasoned and civil discussion on a global pandemic might be at least as consequential as non-binary athletics, as one example.