3rd Kipchoge pacer popped for drugs- 2016/2019 Rotterdam champ - Marius Kipserem (2:04:04 pb) confesses to EPO usage

there has not been an endurance athlete as dominant as Kipchoge since Lance Armstrong

Jakob Ing. was a Kipchoge pacer. I see where you’re going with this.

Yes, with Rutto, 3 pacers, one friend (Kitwara) busted, it's high time someone asked Kipchoge what he thinks of all this !

Thanks for the reply. At least these 3 guys are not out of the Sang/Kipchoge group specifically. With so many pinched out of that Rosa group, surely there will be some more digging?

Does anyone know how this guy ended up with a Norwegian first name? Is he related to Marius Bakken?

I forget the dudes name but just 2 weeks ago a guy training under Sang was done for too. Given a ban. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to believe Kipchoge is natural….

Come on what could he say? He did not have the same connections as off-score Paula ...

Rosa… doesn’t sound very Kenyan.

Only when the Italian coaches and or agents get thrown in jail will the doping lessen.

Do you think the athletes, at least in the beginning, know how to get product, when to use and how often? No they don’t. People are desperate, especially if they are not part of the corrupt political class. Those that have running talent use said talents to claw out of poverty. PED’s are a means to an end. Especially when prize monies are kept, no one goes to jail and it is accepted practice.

Don't kid yourselves, Ethiopia, Uganda, South Sudan, Burundi, Somalia, all have similar circumstance but not the same mechanization (my opinion) and are not as attractive a place to live, when compared to Kenya, for the European coaches and agents. I’ll add… not as attractive countries for doping control officials to travel in either.

These coaches and agents make their money off of the athletes and encourage PED’s usage. Otherwise they wouldn’t be living in Africa if they couldn’t make money by exploitation.

Kenya should run these foreign enablers out of their country. So should other countries in Africa. When that happens then the corrupt national governing body officials will have less ability to exploit and blackmail athletes for money and sex.

Now that China has a major presence in Kenya, most of Africa really, one can only assume PED’s are more readily available at the corner pharmacy then ever before.

In a relay event, if one member of the relay team gets busted for PED’s the team medals, records (if they run a record) and prize monies are taken away.

Set up, paced events, in a way sound somewhat like a relay to me.

How many times have you called someone who says East Africans are talented distance runners to be a racist? Now you say Japanese are talented distance runners.

The main problem with you is that you are just immensely stupid.

Let's be fair. If some Africans cheat than all Africans cheat then that applies to the US as well. Houlihan was caught cheating and her coach says he never even heard of Nandrolone. All BTC athletes are suspect. Fisher sets huge PR's and runs 26:33 and 12:53 and he is clean?

Fisher should not be above suspicion, but if you want to be fair you need to point out the sheer number of Kenyan positives vs. American positives among distance runners, it's not even close. Yes, Shelby cheated and I'm 99% sure one of her teammates in particular cheated as well, but I don't think as a whole American distance runners are doping on a scale that comes close to Kenya at this point.

It's not 'some' Kenyans anymore is it? 25 suspended this year alone, with 15 in the last few weeks, and you're comparing that to one doping case in the USA??

Team? They riunded up people. Chris Derrick was on the "team" so that means Grant is a doper?

This statement is going to set some folks off but it needs to be made - throw shade however you wish. To be truthful, most western country athletes have societal pressure not to cheat at most anything generally speaking. Rule of law has such an impact. There is much more to lose short, medium, and long term. That sense of right and wrong isn’t the same on other continents - corruption and mass under education with limited way out to a decent standard of living causes desperation.

When making accusations take a step back and ask what does that athlete have to lose or gain from taking PED’s (short, medium and long term).

What?

In Japan EPO is not used for medical purposes, so it would be much much harder to cheat.

In Kenya, many many pharmacists will sell you EPO under the counter.

I suspect that running still has a situation like cycling did, where it's impossible to be elite without doping, so the more elites you have the more doping positives. Kenya is now coming to light because they're being targeted, but I don't think doping among elites is more rampant there than Ethiopia, Morocco, Uganda, Russia, Spain, etc.

Many of the few internationally competitive Americans have been under suspicion at some point (see Fancy Bears leak, which included another BTC athlete), which would make sense from this point of view.