Whe a successful athlete writes negatively about the people that made them a name I find it disgusting. Ask yourself one simple question. Without Nike would anyone know her name? What would she have achieved without Alberto? A memoir from any pro runner should be a giant thank you letter.
1) I think people treat women with opinions differently than men. I've never understood the virtiol Goucher receives from some. I'll purchase the book.
2) That being said, the thing I still don't get about the NOP is all of these super successful coaches/braodcasters/internet gurus (Yoder Begley, Ritz, Goucher, Magness, etc) all thought Salazar was shady/doping people, but they never had proof and they of course never did anything themselves. So the hell did he dope?
The next time I talk to any NOP member on the record, I'm going to ask them.
1) Did Alberto ever get you a massage? How many times? 2) Do you think he might have slipped some testosterone on you while he massaged you? Are you sure you weren't doped unknowingly? 3) Will you take a lie detector about your times on the NOP?
Whe a successful athlete writes negatively about the people that made them a name I find it disgusting. Ask yourself one simple question. Without Nike would anyone know her name? What would she have achieved without Alberto? A memoir from any pro runner should be a giant thank you letter.
Alberto should be anything but lionized. He is a terrible human being. I find your opinion disgusting.
My issue is that she claims everyone else was cheating, but when she ran by far the best of her career, she supposedly wasn’t cheating. I mean come on. She saw Brown in college and doped even harder with Alberto to win a silver.
1) I think people treat women with opinions differently than men. I've never understood the virtiol Goucher receives from some. I'll purchase the book.
2) That being said, the thing I still don't get about the NOP is all of these super successful coaches/braodcasters/internet gurus (Yoder Begley, Ritz, Goucher, Magness, etc) all thought Salazar was shady/doping people, but they never had proof and they of course never did anything themselves. So the hell did he dope?
The next time I talk to any NOP member on the record, I'm going to ask them.
1) Did Alberto ever get you a massage? How many times? 2) Do you think he might have slipped some testosterone on you while he massaged you? Are you sure you weren't doped unknowingly? 3) Will you take a lie detector about your times on the NOP?
Rojo, you forgot #4.
4) Ritz, was your contract up in 2012 and did Alberto massage you then? I assume his contract was up as it was an Olympic year. I've heard it speculated by some - remember he didn't make the Olympic team that year - that Ritz was a dad and hadn't done much in several years. It would be hard not to let Alberto massage you and not ask questions.
Whe a successful athlete writes negatively about the people that made them a name I find it disgusting. Ask yourself one simple question. Without Nike would anyone know her name? What would she have achieved without Alberto? A memoir from any pro runner should be a giant thank you letter.
Sounds like you a dog in the race...
Besides that, you don't seem to understand (or are intentionally misconstruing) what corporate sponsorship and coaching involves. Would anyone know her name?? They entered into a business relationship in order to sell more shoes. Period. And if any athlete doesn't perform, they get tossed aside. And the pressure to win results in unsavory "coaching" and corporate sleaze - the win at all costs approach, ethical considerations and athlete's health be damned. The relationship went south and she's entitled to write about if she cares do so.
One could argue she's doing a service in raising awareness of what the pitfalls of professional sports can be - that it's not as glamorous as it seems- and hopefully help up and coming avoid some of the things she endured.
And she still hasn't admitted to any wrongdoing. So I am actually quite curious what she wrote about doping at NOP and or BTC, noting it's explicitly mentioned in the title
"Inside the Secret World of Abuse, Doping, and Deception on Nike's Elite Running Team".
There won't be anything new, at least not anything of substance. The "truth" already came out regarding NOP: Salazar broke the rules but nobody other than Steve Magness doped.
1) I think people treat women with opinions differently than men. I've never understood the virtiol Goucher receives from some. I'll purchase the book.
2) That being said, the thing I still don't get about the NOP is all of these super successful coaches/braodcasters/internet gurus (Yoder Begley, Ritz, Goucher, Magness, etc) all thought Salazar was shady/doping people, but they never had proof and they of course never did anything themselves. So the hell did he dope?
The next time I talk to any NOP member on the record, I'm going to ask them.
1) Did Alberto ever get you a massage? How many times? 2) Do you think he might have slipped some testosterone on you while he massaged you? Are you sure you weren't doped unknowingly? 3) Will you take a lie detector about your times on the NOP?
What are your thoughts on Jordan Hasay not doing well after Alberto had to leave NOP?
Part of the issue I have with Kara is it seems she did everything to benefit herself. She finally goes to the FBI when she can no longer run at a high world class level herself. In fairness she did run a nice marathon in 2012 but she was no longer a medal contender and then she was 33 years old so I felt like it was all meant to benefit her. She never did run as well again either. So it appears that she tolerated Alberto until he no longer really could benefit her much. This is the crux of the problem for me. It doesn’t mean I think she is lying but she is all in it for herself.
1) I think people treat women with opinions differently than men. I've never understood the virtiol Goucher receives from some. I'll purchase the book.
Yes they do, namely you and your brother cover for her and Adam with the whole thyroid and Dr. Brown issue. You both know that she introduced Dr. Brown to Salazar, not the other way around, which makes her the original sin of NOP and makes all her allegations silly.
There won't be anything new, at least not anything of substance. The "truth" already came out regarding NOP: Salazar broke the rules but nobody other than Steve Magness doped.
Yes, it was only proven that Magness used a forbidden method. But one can describe a lot more in a book than what was proven.
Whe a successful athlete writes negatively about the people that made them a name I find it disgusting. Ask yourself one simple question. Without Nike would anyone know her name? What would she have achieved without Alberto? A memoir from any pro runner should be a giant thank you letter.
I hate Salazar and I think Kara is great and done good things for the sport. Having said that I also think it is strange when any athlete has to create a villian in an attempt to make themself a hero. This is usually where the biography turns to fiction. If Tom Brady wrote an autobiography most people would want to hear negative stories about Bill Bellicheck whether they were true or not. This is simply to sell books. Kinda sad.
Whe a successful athlete writes negatively about the people that made them a name I find it disgusting. Ask yourself one simple question. Without Nike would anyone know her name? What would she have achieved without Alberto? A memoir from any pro runner should be a giant thank you letter.
I hate Salazar and I think Kara is great and done good things for the sport. Having said that I also think it is strange when any athlete has to create a villian in an attempt to make themself a hero. This is usually where the biography turns to fiction. If Tom Brady wrote an autobiography most people would want to hear negative stories about Bill Bellicheck whether they were true or not. This is simply to sell books. Kinda sad.
You said it better. Thank you.
If Chris Solinsky who has made a career in the sport because of his time with Jerry were to write a book and slam Jerry I would think way less of Chris.
I hate Salazar and I think Kara is great and done good things for the sport. Having said that I also think it is strange when any athlete has to create a villian in an attempt to make themself a hero. This is usually where the biography turns to fiction. If Tom Brady wrote an autobiography most people would want to hear negative stories about Bill Bellicheck whether they were true or not. This is simply to sell books. Kinda sad.
Create a villain? Create? What has been proven:
1) That person used testosterone as an athlete.
2) That person got his first star athlete banned for her testosterone usage.
3) That person got himself banned for three additional anti-doping rule violations, including testosterone possession/trafficking.
4) That person got banned for life for his egregious sexual misconduct.
If that person is not a villain in our sport, who would be?
That is a great list that I agree with 100%. ALBERTO SALAZAR IS SCUM.
We know this without a book. The book isn’t out yet and you and I and everyone know those facts. Kara has had a decade to step up and present everything in a courtroom.
I believe her and she was used by Nike and Salazar one hell of a lot more than she used them.
Salazar has a massive, controlling ego and I have no doubt he would coerce otherwise powerless athletes into doing things they didn't think was right. It happens in all walks of life.
And he was busted for doping and sexual/emotional misconduct so he's open game for this. He actually was lucky to not get time for having controlled substances, microdosing or not that's illegal.
For whatever reason, letsrun is convinced that Kara is one of the good guys. I guess everybody forgot that the Gouchers are the ones who introduced Salazar to Brown.
And also both Goucher’s had their best performances by a lot under Salazar. Nothing fishy there.
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