When we find out what the new PED is?

A 1986 study proving the world is flat. 2 years later Ben Johnson runs 9.79 while on stanozolol (included in the study) and is busted. Clean, he later can't get near 10-flat.

Feeling stupid now?

Nope. Johnson wasn't on 8mg for 8 weeks. Science denier.

1) Better drug-test evasion technology. Same old drugs, better techniques to elude detection.

2) And shoes.

But mostly, #1.

Whether it is a new ped or a variant of the "same old same old" the true progression is that drugs are getting harder to detect. Doping is easy - and easily beats antidoping.

Johnson doped and used stanozolol. Are you denying that? Or denying that it helped him?

How many studies have there been since 1986 showing steroids don't improve performance? I'm asking for a friend, who just wants to be known as "Marion".

Clearly he was juiced out of his mind.

malmo - why would I feel stupid? I didn’t seek out Winstrol and use it. I didn’t provide a written account to a listserv that I now contradict. I’m not the one trying to pretend that I didn’t get any benefit from doing steroids. That would make me feel stupid. I’m the wrong mfer to try to gaslight.

Just get honest and admit what you did so it can be over. You crossed that line and no amount of rationalization will make it go away. What you did isn’t unforgivable, but your response shows a lack of remorse and humility about it.

Stick to the facts. I did not "seek out Winstrol" or any other drug. I never even heard of it until,, by chance, Ron Tabb (who later told me 3 or 4 years ago he was on both on Anavar and Winstrol) told me I was the only clean runner in town (which i knew was false) I threw up my hands in defeat, and went in with him during his next appointment. Yes, Alberto finally did admit to me that the Navy BMW was his. Two months at 2mg QED 8mg/day -- far below what science has shown NOT to be performance enhancing (10mg) It had zero effects and it wasn't something I wanted to be involved with anyway. End of story.

No one is 'gaslighting' you. You don't even understand the term.

@malmo - Explain the post on the listserv. Was that account true or is this one? They are different in notable respects.

Your intent in seeking steroids was to enhance your performance. Stop with name-dropping Ron and Alberto, and talking about dosages, and trying to distract from the fact that you intended to dope.

Given your varying accounts over the years and your behavior here, I’m not inclined to accept any ‘facts’ presented by you without some type of independent confirmation. You are no longer a credible source on this issue. What are you, in your 70s? Do you really want to go to your grave not being truthful about this?

Tabb told me that he gained weight from the PEDs and ran slower.

Leaving aside any ethical questions -- I am a little less judgmental about this issue than most of LR -- your training log summary for 1985 includes a 178 mile week. Was this during your test phase?

He doesn't like to answer questions about his comments, either, as posts are removed that do so. That's someone who has real confidence in his ability to engage in debate. Or who cannot be questioned.

So doping does work, then?

I thought we already found out it was Carne Asada - ideally disguised as a pork burrito.