Jakob Ingebrigtsen wants to triple at Worlds. Should WA make a schedule change to help him do it?

One of the things I like best about the sport are the historical comparisons.

Yes, track surfaces, shoes, nutrition, PEDs, etc. cloud those comparisons, but there remains an allure to comparing times and accomplishments throughout the history of the sport.

That said, there may have never been a 1500/5K/10K triple in previous WC/OG for the very reason that the schedule makes it nearly impossible. Changing the schedule throws the historical perspective out the window.

Taking a ludicrous devil's advocate view, what if we placed the three events two weeks apart and made the WC a month long event? While it might be exciting getting people to cross-over events, would a triple mean anything from a historical (it's never been done) view?

Leave the schedule alone. If not JI, someone will come along that can do it under the current schedule and I for one will be cheering them on.

If you are promoting your sport then you should consider the potential for raising visibility of it. JI still has to win 3 events which is a tall order but having 10k before shorter races will make this impossible. Perhaps the argument to be made here is that all events should be arranged in such a way to allow exceptional athletes more chances at multiple medals. It would generate excitement.

was the mens 10000 at beginning of olympics last year, and womens at the end? is this how it always is?

I do know Euros were set up perfectly for the triple, especially considering no rounds for the 5000. but this is nowhere near as prestigious as worlds and olympics.

He never won the 15/5/10 in the same Olympics, but Nurmi won 15 and 5 on the same day in 1924 Olympics. And he was the gold medalist at 10000 in both 1920 and 1928. The Finnish federation did not enter him in 10000 in 1924 because they wanted his teammates to have opportunity. (Nurmi won two more races in 1924, cross country and 3000m team race.)

I don't know if this story is true, but there is a legend that he went to the warm-up track on the day of 10000 final, and ran a solo time-trial faster than the gold medal winning time.

Jakob, be careful what you wish for. If you do all 3, it could mess you up the way it messed up Sifan Hasan

I vote no. If you allow individual athletes to influence the schedule where do you stop? Someone doubling in the 800 and 1500 would like the 2nd final moved back a day to give them a bit more time to recover? The 100m relay qualifying rounds should be moved to the afternoon as my athlete will have run the 200m final the night before? Should Eluid Kipchoge get the final say over the marathon route? Should Mondo Duplantis be consulted on the height progression in the pole vault?

Ultimately if you start adjusting the competition to suit an individual athlete where do you draw the line? Who gets the privilege and who does not? Is the choice made based on how many medals the person has or how many Instagram followers - Sorry Elaine and Shelly-Anne but Sha'Carri gets first pick for the lanes, she is the higher profile athlete.

Let's be honest, if we go down this route, and knowing how much corruption there has been in the past, how long until there are accusations of money passing hands to get a favourable schedule change?

what nonsense:

1. You think Jakob will lose a fast WC or Olympic 5000m final. And who do you expect to beat him?

Cheptegei ran 12:35 in 2020 but he he hasn´t been sub 12:50 since then.

Barega ran 12:43 in 2018 but haven´t been close again.

Kejelcha ran 12:45 in 2018 but that is still his PB.

Several neutral observers think Jakob can run 12:40 low in a perfect time trail so Jakob possibly has one the best aerobic capacities of all the 5000m runners at the moment.

2. You advised Fisher to run the penultimate lap in sub 59!? I don´t think Fisher cares about your advise but as far as can see he DID THAT. He was just behind Jakob the last laps until about 150-200m out from where Jakob gapped him. So Fisher did run the penultimate lap in sub 59. His problem was he couldn´t run the last lap in sub 54 as Jakob did.

3. You had a lucky punch predicting Jakob´s loss in the 1500m but that does mean that you can be considered an oracle when it comes running. You have probably predicted Jakob losing many times before so one time you must get it right!

Can you disclose who you predicted would win the1500m in Tokyo and who you predicted would win the 5000m in Eugene?

4. Finally : Who do you think will win the 1500m and 5000m in Budapest next year?

I think Jakob will win the double (if it is doable) provided he stays healthy and motivated.

Time TRIAL

The answer to your last question is a definite yes. Once all the other vaulters are eliminated, Mondo gets to decide the height progression. He usually goes for the new CR/MR, and then after that he goes for the WR.

He probably can do it the way he trains, but it's not clear that he should do it, if offered the chance. Look at what happened to Sifan Hassan after her triple. She was burned out from the training and racing and had a down year.

It's amazing how many track & field fans don't understand the rules for all events. High jumpers are allowed the same consideration I believe. As well as every other competitor in field events.

A shot putter could win the match on his first throw, but he still gets 5 more throws to better his 1st mark. Pole vaulters and high jumpers can jump all night, as long as they keep clearing with the three jumps/vaults allotted to them per height. Poor runners, once they cross the finish line, their day is over.

Pole vaulters and high jumpers never really know when their day is done.

He is dreaming at tripling while he lost the top big 1500m events of this year?

let's not put the cart before the horse.

He is still not taking seriously the 5000m distance and nothing says that Eugene conditions will repeat in the future.

If you’re talking about a triple win, there is no way. The 10000m would be no walk in the park for him and I would give him about a 25% chance of winning. With a 10000m under his belt, he’s likely to fall out of the medals in the 1500m and that’s if he makes it past the semi-finals. He would probably end up scratching from the following day’s 5000m semi.

You've mentioned the qualification in your response Once all the other vaulters are eliminated, does not get to say what the increments will be before the competition starts or during the competition. He only gets that opportunity once the competition with other athletes is over and he is the only one left vaulting.

Why are you arguing with someone who you agree with?

The allegedly doping Kenenisa, Haile and Hicham didn’t dare attempt a triple but the CLEAN Jakob Ingebrigtsen is going to try it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

yeah ... downvoting people is not always a good sign of certitude.

I giving the Murcian Katir a full year 2023 to rise into the level of challenger of the Norwegian. Et you will not hear from me of Cole, Hobs Kessler or Grant Fisher (there a lot of people doing threads for them in these forums).

Jakob 85%

Katir 70% of consistence

McSwym 65% of consistence

Wightman + Hoare + Kipsang 50% of consistence

todaytimeslive.com

Katir: “I want to beat Ingebrigtsen and at work I hope I can do it”

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The athlete Mohamed Katirwho won this summer bronze in the 1,500-meter World Cup and silver in the 5,000-meter European event, was received this Friday in his hometown, Mula (Murcia), where he felt the love of several dozen n...

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and Katir is hyper motivated with a lot of reasons...

The progression at lower heights is irrelevant for Mondo. He skips most of them, and chooses to enter whenever we wants to. He easily clears a height most of other competitiors struggle with, and then decides which next height he attempts. He may decide to clear a relatively low height (for him) as warm-up, and skip the next height or two until he chooses to reenter.

Just look at the progression at thw World Championships.

He skipped 5.55. Cleared 5.70. Skipped 5.80. By the time he took his second jump at 5.87, five of the 12 people were done. He could have chosen to skip 5.87 and 5.94 and reenter at 6.00 if he had wanted.

So essentially he is in control of his own height progression even before others were eliminated.