Magness won the war with Salazar

In the first hour, Magness discusses his time with Salazar/NOP in detail.

Lol appreciating podcasts over hardware & titles. LOL.

How many Patagonia vests do you own? What private schools did mommy and daddy send you to?

Nike never was held responsible for anything and never will be... corporation wins, people lose.

This is false. There are emails FROM Salazar extolling l carnitine. I've seen them posted here and online.

Magness was still competing in 2011. "subject to testing authorities" is a different topic; if one shows up doped to a Turkey trot or an Oregon championship, one is cheating regardless of whether one comes second or last.

It was Magness who encouraged these emails, saying how good he felt on a 15 miler@5.10 pace with the Marathon guys.

The whole thing was silly and misguided. I hope Steve is no longer a believer in such nonsense, but I don't follow him so I don't know.

There is some cruel irony here, as Magness was the only "doped" "athlete" in this saga, and was doubly responsible for his violation, yet apparently not sanctioned for it, while Salazar was not found to have ever doped any NOP athlete, yet is the only one serving a ban for Magness's violation.

In hindsight, can we say any of Magness's initial allegations were confirmed? Just one -- the testosterone experiment with his sons, who were not competing athletes subject to the WADA Code -- something Salazar conceded in his first rebuttal. Initially, L-Carnitine was not publicly discussed until years later after a Fancy Bears leak of a draft document in the Dr. Brown lawsuit. And that was Magness's responsibility/fault.

Recall that Magness was explicitly instructed by Salazar in writing to find a "WADA legal, of course" method for administering the "WADA-legal" substance L-Carnitine. Magness failed this instruction, and as a direct result, as he was still considered an athlete subject to the WADA Code, committed a WADA rule violation. WADA's "strict liability" policy holds Magness solely responsible for what enters his body -- and Salazar also trusted Magness, as the team's sport scientist, with the responsibility of finding a "WADA legal" way.

Think what you want about Salazar, but there was nothing conclusive that established any NOP athlete ever doped in its entire history of existence -- something confirmed and affirmed by the USADA, the AAA, the CAS, and again by WADA -- and the only "doped" athlete was the primary whiste-blower himself.

I've been trying to like him since 2006, when he used to post here, but he has always seemed quite narcissistic.

Mo Farah gets called out as a doper here and I feel Steve Magness is to blame.

You guys seem to be missing a crucial piece of information. Salazar picked Magness in the first place because he was smart but also because he was inexperienced and malleable. Salazar essentially groomed him and took advantage of that naiveté and inexperience (which Magness states himself in that Rich Roll Podcast) and Magness was so starstuck and happy to just be involved in something so big and prestigious with no experience that he overlooked red flags he shouldn't have at first and Salazar had so much power he was scared for retribution as Salazar was withholding paychecks and threatening to ruin him if he left or did anything. This is a scenario many have experienced when someone in a position of power over you has you do things you wouldn't normally do for fear of being fired or other consequences.

lolololololololol

He talks so much BS, I can't take him seriously. The story about the supposed efficacy of L-Carnitine, it's just nonsense.

Yes, but he's still milking it for all it's worth. He's a charlatan. If I confronted him with some tough questions he would just melt.

Is any of that real, or did I miss something you just made up? Otherwise, Salazar picked Magness as a qualified sports scientist with a degree.

Regardless whether this crucial piece of imagination is real or imaginary, WADA places the responsibility on all athletes to understand their obligations under the Code, including Magness. Salazar also entrusted that responsibility to Magness, and paid the price for misplacing his trust.

There's also the reality that neither is worth anything anymore. Magness has managed to not rape/SA anyone so he gets points there but loses in the running history category. Both doped, so they're even in that respect. One got Nike money for decades, the other was banished to the shadowrealm of twitter virtue signaling and vague coaching advice.

Both these dudes are losers, one just happens to be much, much more despicable than the other

what do salazar and magness have in common? They both make moves on their athletes lol

At this point, Letsrunners only want to blame Salazar and conclude that all NOPers were dopers..........when USADA, WADA, AAA, and CAS all concluded otherwise. Honestly it's a weird obsession I'll never understand.

Getting banned and raping?

Nice legacy.