Kansas constitutional amendment to remove abortion protection FAILS

What would John Brown think?

Whether the federal or state government over reaches it makes no difference. If someone in my family was raped or had some physical or emotional issue and were deciding what to do about a pregnancy, and if a government representative like Ted Cruz comes along to tell us what we have to do, I would beat the hell out of him for intruding where they have no business.

You wouldn’t do a single thing. I’d bet my life on that.

He would deserve a beating. Metaphorically speaking, I guess you didn't understand that.

Many states are heavily gerrymandered such that the legislature is nowhere close to representing the actual will of the people. The abortion measure in Kansas lost by 62% to 38%. But Republicans hold supermajorities in both houses of the legislature in Kansas even though Trump only got 56% of the vote in 2020. So, the idea that the issue of abortion is just being left up to the will of the people through state legislatures is a joke. Despite the big loss on the ballot measure, the Kansas legislature is going to enact as restrictive an abortion law as they can get away with, which will be as close to an all out ban as possible given that the Kansas supreme court is one of the most right wing in the US. And this is all just an extension of the countermajoritarian ruling ending Roe in which a minority of religious zealots in the US are trying to turn the country into a theocracy. It violates every notion of a republican system of government in that states will be drawn into direct conflict with one another over travel for abortion, abortion pills and even just communicating with people seeking abortion services across state lines. That is why the founders were so concerned with protecting fundamental rights and is also why the 14th amendment was drafted broadly to protect "life, liberty and property".

Do you not realize that many staunch liberals thought Roe was a very flawed decision? Justice Alito's majority opinion in Dobbs cited both former Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe, showing just that.

As for the "cruelty" you mentioned, which is more cruel, staying the hands of direct abortionists or slicing through a fetus with a scalpel, dismembering it with forceps, or, in the case of partial-birth abortion, sucking out its brains to collapse its skull to enable its removal from the birth canal? I say it is the latter, and sometimes this cruelty is torturous.

Any government that fails to defend innocent human beings from deliberate slaughter is insufficient.

Anti-abortion nutjobs go home DEVASTATED!!!

Lolol all the rabid pro-life incels on this forum go home devastated.
Even republicans voters think the pro-life nut jobs are out of touch and harmful to their cause.
The evil biased polls were correct. A large majority of people support reasonably permissive laws on abortion.

There’s a good part of the pro-life base that just wants to punish women. Thankfully, normal people see right thru this.

You're going to be waiting a long time.

Planned parenthood received 1.6 BILLION tax dollars. Thats why the dems are kicking and screaming. It always about money. Forcefully taking peoples money and using it to kill babies is the greatest EVIL we have ever seen.

This is exactly what the Dobbs decision was all about. It's to be determined by the people in the states, not the SCOTUS. The people of Kansas have spoken. Next.

Take your idiotic Heritage talking points somewhere else, fetus fetishist. The Kansas vote is just the beginning. The VAST majority want the whacko religious right cultists to crawl back in the Jesus Hole from whence they came.

The Romans should have used more lions and bears.

Except the vast majority of states that have banned abortion since Dobbs won't let voters decide directly on abortion. GOP reps just force their extremely unpopular religious laws down the throat of the population. And then they go back to their safely gerrymandered districts.

Kansas has a Democrat Governor because the previous Republican Governor Brownback was a disaster.

So what other restrictions do you think should be chosen by "the beliefs of their populations"? Maybe white men should be prevented holding public office? Would you be okay with that restriction?

What else would you be happy with Kansans getting to vote on? Interracial or same sex marriage? The legality of sodomy in your bedroom? Maybe being allowed to own some people to help out on your farm? That’s how majority rule works, not democracy.

Just noticed the new m.a.g.a. is Mother's against greg abbott

My pro life views were instilled in me by my mother, and from being a father to two daughters. They were alive to me the moment my wife called me on the phone to let me know my boys could swim. We had ultra sounds basically every other week after my wife’s first ultrasound because we had twins. The three dimensional ultrasounds show you just how living and human they are. They were very much alive when they were born premature (at a gestation age many states allow abortions).