Not true, ever since i started training years ago i noticed the difference between hard work that distance runners do and mediocore work that sprinters do.
i only wanted to be a sprinter when i was a kid that didn't know anything about the sport.
As I grew and saw the clear picture, man i dont wanna be part of the posers(sprinters) crew even if it could get me more recognition.
Walking around track shirtless, doing 60m sprints, resting for 4 minutes, i mean come on man whats the pride in that?
If that’s the workout consistently then they just have a bad coach. Or you aren’t seeing most of what they do. When I was in peak shape, I was doing something for 3+ hours a day
i was at a track today, i did 10 x 800m repeats at around 2:30 800 pace and a 2 minute walk between reps.
This whole time there were these sprinters doing their joke of a workout, 60 m sprint and a 3-4 minute rest.
They acted like they were working hard and like they are some NFL stars. It was painful to watch their overinflated egos.
Thank God there was a guy who races at even longer distance then me showing them(and me) what a real training looks like.
He ran for an hour straight, i think he did like 40 laps around the track and was not gassed at any point.
It was a beautiful sight proving the superiority of distabce runners over sprinters.
What you did, OP, was probably metabolically tough for you. What the sprinters did was probably neurologically tough for them, taxing the Central Nervous System, and something that is very, very often neglected in the training of mid-distance and long-distance runners.
Nice cherry picking, if all sprinting is being able to run fast for a short time i dont want any part of it. Where are the sacrifices, where is the struggle, where is the heroes journey?
You're training on a public track literally doing 8k split among 10 intervals without a paid coach while showing you're not USATF quality and you want to be viewed as a struggling hero???
Have you ever done football sprints during hell week,where you're sprinting a total of 2,210 yards across 31 intervals, given 16,14,12,10,8 and 6 respectively where the whole workout is anaerobic?
Do 10 x 100y in 16 seconds per 100y 16 seconds rest between 100s
8x80y in 14 seconds with 14 seconds rest between each 80
Same, what can a 10 second race prove? Absolutely nothing, half of the guys could have a bad day, bad start or something. I like to see proof, lap after lap going strong and finishing strong, that is a winner in my book.
Do distance runners never have a bad day? Sure they do.
What you gotta do is every day run as hard as you can and try to go a little bit further every day until eventually you can sprint faster than the sprint guys and run marathons faster than all the marathon guys! I can’t believe no one even thought of that! you’re a genius man you’re really on the something!
Do sprinters have two brain cells to rub together?
I'd rather be a pro Cornhole player vs sprinter
You are missing the point.
As a kid, if you are fast enough to be one of the best 100 runners, you are. Everyone else moves their sites to 200. If you are fast enough to be one of the best 200 runners, you are. Everyone else........400, 800, mile, 2 mile, 5K, 10K, half marathon, marathon, ultra.
Every kid would be whatever the shortest distance could provide significant success.
As adults other factors come into play but it primarily reverts back to this.
i was at a track today, i did 10 x 800m repeats at around 2:30 800 pace and a 2 minute walk between reps.
This whole time there were these sprinters doing their joke of a workout, 60 m sprint and a 3-4 minute rest.
They acted like they were working hard and like they are some NFL stars. It was painful to watch their overinflated egos.
Thank God there was a guy who races at even longer distance then me showing them(and me) what a real training looks like.
He ran for an hour straight, i think he did like 40 laps around the track and was not gassed at any point.
It was a beautiful sight proving the superiority of distabce runners over sprinters.
What you did, OP, was probably metabolically tough for you. What the sprinters did was probably neurologically tough for them, taxing the Central Nervous System, and something that is very, very often neglected in the training of mid-distance and long-distance runners.
That is a really great point St Ignatius. 90% probability this is a naked troll thread. But your point is well taken - sprinters and distance runners incur different types of fatigue. And for those who have never experienced central nervous system fatigue - it is no joke. It effects the entire organism. I go so far as to say that CNS fatigue is the least understood of all adaptations.
Not true, ever since i started training years ago i noticed the difference between hard work that distance runners do and mediocore work that sprinters do.
i only wanted to be a sprinter when i was a kid that didn't know anything about the sport.
As I grew and saw the clear picture, man i dont wanna be part of the posers(sprinters) crew even if it could get me more recognition.
Walking around track shirtless, doing 60m sprints, resting for 4 minutes, i mean come on man whats the pride in that?
Sport is about a lot more than just training to exhaustion. It’s about doing something well, beautifully, competently. It’s not just about who can suffer the most.
Do sprinters have two brain cells to rub together?
I'd rather be a pro Cornhole player vs sprinter
You are missing the point.
As a kid, if you are fast enough to be one of the best 100 runners, you are. Everyone else moves their sites to 200. If you are fast enough to be one of the best 200 runners, you are. Everyone else........400, 800, mile, 2 mile, 5K, 10K, half marathon, marathon, ultra.
Every kid would be whatever the shortest distance could provide significant success.
As adults other factors come into play but it primarily reverts back to this.
Don't know what sort of low end school system you went to but no kid in our schools wanted to be a sprinter. It was basically everything but. The kids that went for running grew up idolizing the great milers and that's what they ended up. No one moved up or down.
As a kid, if you are fast enough to be one of the best 100 runners, you are. Everyone else moves their sites to 200. If you are fast enough to be one of the best 200 runners, you are. Everyone else........400, 800, mile, 2 mile, 5K, 10K, half marathon, marathon, ultra.
Every kid would be whatever the shortest distance could provide significant success.
As adults other factors come into play but it primarily reverts back to this.
Don't know what sort of low end school system you went to but no kid in our schools wanted to be a sprinter. It was basically everything but. The kids that went for running grew up idolizing the great milers and that's what they ended up. No one moved up or down.
Interesting! Maybe it is age related. I am in my mid 50s. Kids raced to the tree, not around the block 4 times. And fast twitch activities ruled such as football, basketball, boxing, sprints, etc. Those that couldn't searched for other successes.
Not sure how that is a "low-end" school, but I assume you feel threatened or bullied and feel a need to strike out from behind a keyboard. But that of course is just a guess.
Just for the record, how many multiple schools did you attend that all idolized milers? All seems like a very high number......for most anything, especially in multiple schools..
Not true, ever since i started training years ago i noticed the difference between hard work that distance runners do and mediocore work that sprinters do.
i only wanted to be a sprinter when i was a kid that didn't know anything about the sport.
As I grew and saw the clear picture, man i dont wanna be part of the posers(sprinters) crew even if it could get me more recognition.
Walking around track shirtless, doing 60m sprints, resting for 4 minutes, i mean come on man whats the pride in that?
If that’s the workout consistently then they just have a bad coach. Or you aren’t seeing most of what they do. When I was in peak shape, I was doing something for 3+ hours a day
“If you’re not fully recovered for your speed development sessions, you’re not doing speed development. you’re doing slow development”
Don't know what sort of low end school system you went to but no kid in our schools wanted to be a sprinter. It was basically everything but. The kids that went for running grew up idolizing the great milers and that's what they ended up. No one moved up or down.
Interesting! Maybe it is age related. I am in my mid 50s. Kids raced to the tree, not around the block 4 times. And fast twitch activities ruled such as football, basketball, boxing, sprints, etc. Those that couldn't searched for other successes.
Not sure how that is a "low-end" school, but I assume you feel threatened or bullied and feel a need to strike out from behind a keyboard. But that of course is just a guess.
Just for the record, how many multiple schools did you attend that all idolized milers? All seems like a very high number......for most anything, especially in multiple schools..
Lol. That's exactly why you piped up first, cuz you felt threatened that someone doesn't give a shyt about your idols. Lol Boxing? What school has boxing as an activity? Prolly only the low end ones. Kids are growing up idolizing Americans first. Yes, we did have football, and everyone wanted to be Joe Montana or Brady. But hockey and baseball were big also. Not many have been going into boxing since it's mostly Europeans that dominate. Same is happening in basketball. Sprinting was always a side show.
Don't know what sort of low end school system you went to but no kid in our schools wanted to be a sprinter. It was basically everything but. The kids that went for running grew up idolizing the great milers and that's what they ended up. No one moved up or down.
Interesting! Maybe it is age related. I am in my mid 50s. Kids raced to the tree, not around the block 4 times. And fast twitch activities ruled such as football, basketball, boxing, sprints, etc. Those that couldn't searched for other successes.
Not sure how that is a "low-end" school, but I assume you feel threatened or bullied and feel a need to strike out from behind a keyboard. But that of course is just a guess.
About half the posters on this site fall into that category.
Interesting! Maybe it is age related. I am in my mid 50s. Kids raced to the tree, not around the block 4 times. And fast twitch activities ruled such as football, basketball, boxing, sprints, etc. Those that couldn't searched for other successes.
Not sure how that is a "low-end" school, but I assume you feel threatened or bullied and feel a need to strike out from behind a keyboard. But that of course is just a guess.
Just for the record, how many multiple schools did you attend that all idolized milers? All seems like a very high number......for most anything, especially in multiple schools..
Lol. That's exactly why you piped up first, cuz you felt threatened that someone doesn't give a shyt about your idols. Lol Boxing? What school has boxing as an activity? Prolly only the low end ones. Kids are growing up idolizing Americans first. Yes, we did have football, and everyone wanted to be Joe Montana or Brady. But hockey and baseball were big also. Not many have been going into boxing since it's mostly Europeans that dominate. Same is happening in basketball. Sprinting was always a side show.
Calling his schools “low end” is wrong. Being insulting doesn’t help your point.
First, I agree that a lot of sprinters seem to spend a lot of their time walking around preening so I understand your frustration.
I'll try to explain, but I don't understand it fully myself so my apologies to the exercise physiologists and experts here. I hope they will correct any mistakes I make.
Sprinters used different primary energy systems than distance runners. Those energy systems have to be trained differently than the aerobic system. Often, it requires long breaks between reps for those systems to recover enough to get the optimal benefit from the workout.
For example, if a distance runner does tempos or intervals too fast or with too short a recovery, the energy system switches to anaerobic. Some of the aerobic benefits of the workout are lost.
Conversely, sprinters use the ATP system, the anaerobic system, and the CNS systems to a higher degree than distance runners. To train these systems requires greater rest between intervals. Depending on the workout, the rest can vary between 90 seconds to as much as 20 minutes between intervals. So depending on the workout, sprinters can spend a lot of time doing nothing.
If sprinters attempt to run intervals too close together, these systems don't have time to recover... and this is important... so another system takes over. The system that needs to be trained isn't getting trained.
Michael Johnson had a cadence of about 300 steps per minute in the 400m. Most distance runners couldn't jog in place for 5 seconds at that cadence! He had to train his (CNS) Central Nervous System to fire that fast and to hold it for that long. He couldn't do that by running lap after lap at tempo pace. He had to do very specific workouts (plus he was a world class talent).
Most HS sprinters don't understand this. They just goof off and get by on talent. I agree that it can be frustrating as a distance runner.
Are you stronger per your body weight than Ryan Crouser? If no, you have to go on (15 to 30) mile runs to be an elite athlete. Since sprinters can weight lift per their body weight more than Ryan Crouser, sprinters are allowed to do Feed the Cats training. If you cannot beat sprinters in the weight room, you cannot consider sprinters a joke.
There are thousands of very fast sprinters with twig arms and twig legs, like De Grasse, Jeremy Wariner, Steve Gardiner
Nigel Amos could run a 45 flat 400, I doubt he could deadlift or squat more per lb than a shot putter. I'd be surprised if he lifts at all.
Main thing in sprinting is to be able to move your arms and legs back and forth real fast. That's what all the drills they do are about, training their movements
Is this right though? I thought the main thing in sprinting was power:
i.e force production + rate of force development. Both are affected by strength in the gym