asby wrote:
Danes are not Vikings
The Danish Vikings certainly were.
Their legacy is right here in my sleepy English Village.
Danish high school phenom Joel Ibler runs 13.31.40 for 5000m
High School Running
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Coe has as much claim as Kipketer. Kipketer has no 800m Olympic gold, just like Coe. Coe took the 800m to new level, running 1:41.7 when no other man in history had run under 1:43.5. It took Kipketer literally dozens of attempts with perfect pacing at the height of the full throttle EPO era to finally beat Coe's time. Not to mention Snell, El Cabello, and Cruz.
Coe has a claim to being as great or an even greater overall runner than Kipketer. But at the 800 it is objectively no contest. Kipketer dominates on titles, records and dominance. Yes, he lacks the Olympic gold, but let's not act like missing the one that was in his physical prime isn't a key factor. He won Worlds in '95, '97 and '99 and went undefeated in all 15 800m races in 1996. Hard to imagine him not winning gold had he the opportunity. In 2000 he was not the same athlete finishing 2nd and 3rd in his two races before the Olympics and racing much more sparingly. Really a silver was a good performance, but his tactics left something to be desired.
Has a claim, lol. Coe is light years ahead of Kipketer as an 'overall runner'. And at 800 it is not 'objectively no contest'. Kipketer had the advantage of the Golden League. If there had been a boycott of Moscow, everybody would have assumed Coe would have won the 800m. Coe has two Olympic 800 silvers to Kipketer's silver and bronze. Coe didn't have the benefit of biannual world championships.
Yeah, Kipketer was the best Kenyan full throttle EPO guy. But really, taking so many goes to finally break Coe's 16 year WR, and not managing to break 1:41 with his physical prime coinciding with the height of the full throttle era, is a little disappointing for 'the greatest 800m runner in history'.
Obviously a white/Indian guy has to do 10 times more than an East African for it to count for the likes of you and John Wesley Harding.
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Coevett wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coe has a claim to being as great or an even greater overall runner than Kipketer. But at the 800 it is objectively no contest. Kipketer dominates on titles, records and dominance. Yes, he lacks the Olympic gold, but let's not act like missing the one that was in his physical prime isn't a key factor. He won Worlds in '95, '97 and '99 and went undefeated in all 15 800m races in 1996. Hard to imagine him not winning gold had he the opportunity. In 2000 he was not the same athlete finishing 2nd and 3rd in his two races before the Olympics and racing much more sparingly. Really a silver was a good performance, but his tactics left something to be desired.
Has a claim, lol. Coe is light years ahead of Kipketer as an 'overall runner'. And at 800 it is not 'objectively no contest'. Kipketer had the advantage of the Golden League. If there had been a boycott of Moscow, everybody would have assumed Coe would have won the 800m. Coe has two Olympic 800 silvers to Kipketer's silver and bronze. Coe didn't have the benefit of biannual world championships.
Yeah, Kipketer was the best Kenyan full throttle EPO guy. But really, taking so many goes to finally break Coe's 16 year WR, and not managing to break 1:41 with his physical prime coinciding with the height of the full throttle era, is a little disappointing for 'the greatest 800m runner in history'.
Obviously a white/Indian guy has to do 10 times more than an East African for it to count for the likes of you and John Wesley Harding.
4/10
Too obvious.
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Coevett wrote:
Has a claim, lol. Coe is light years ahead of Kipketer as an 'overall runner'. And at 800 it is not 'objectively no contest'. Kipketer had the advantage of the Golden League. If there had been a boycott of Moscow, everybody would have assumed Coe would have won the 800m. Coe has two Olympic 800 silvers to Kipketer's silver and bronze. Coe didn't have the benefit of biannual world championships.
Yeah, Kipketer was the best Kenyan full throttle EPO guy. But really, taking so many goes to finally break Coe's 16 year WR, and not managing to break 1:41 with his physical prime coinciding with the height of the full throttle era, is a little disappointing for 'the greatest 800m runner in history'.
Obviously a white/Indian guy has to do 10 times more than an East African for it to count for the likes of you and John Wesley Harding.
Well Coe went 1 for 3 at the 800 in the European Champs, which would be a watered-down version of Worlds.
In 1980, there was a boycott and Coe did face watered-down fields. An American Donald Paige in fact beat Coe in Italy that season. Due to the boycott, Paige and others were not in Moscow.
The Golden League is great, but Coe had the circuit as well and he just wasn’t as prolific at the 800 later in his career. That’s OK but it matters when assessing them head to head at the 800.
You can throw your Kipleter full throttle EPO thing all you want without proof. His times and consistency stand up, and all you have is insinuations because you’re bitter Coe didn’t run faster.
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Back to topic?
As a nordic track fan we have great times ahead 😊
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I'll take David Rudisha as the best 800m man of all time, no question.
He won Olympic Gold twice, one in the still-standing world record of 1:40.91 (almost ten years now) leading the entire way. He won World Championship 800m gold twice, 2011/2015. He won double World Junior gold at 800m and 4x400m(!). And finally, he ran the top three performances ever, six out of the top eight, and 11 out of the top 21 all-time performances at 800m.
All-time men's best 800 m
1 1:40.91 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 London 09.08.20122 1:41.01 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 29.08.2010
3 1:41.09 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Berlin 22.08.2010
4 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Köln 24.08.1997
5 1:41.24 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1rA Zürich 13.08.1997
6 1:41.33 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 10.09.2011
7 1:41.51 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Heusden-Zolder 10.07.2010
8 1:41.54 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
9 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Firenze 10.06.1981
9 1:41.73 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Stockholm 07.07.1997
9 1:41.73 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 2 London 09.08.2012
12 1:41.74 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 New York City 09.06.2012
13 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz BRA 12.03.63 1 Köln 26.08.1984
14 1:41.83 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Rieti 01.09.1996
15 1:41.89 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 1 Monaco 12.07.2019
16 1:42.01 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 06.09.2009
17 1:42.04 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Oslo 04.06.2010
18 1:42.05 Emmanuel Korir KEN 15.06.95 1 London 22.07.2018
19 1:42.12A David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Nairobi 23.06.2012
20 1:42.14 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 1 Monaco 20.07.2018
21 1:42.15 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Rio de Janeiro 15.08.2016
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Easily beats Rupps high school mark..
Could be first sub 13 Dane! He's actually only 6 seconds away from the Danish NR now!
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Notably, Lilleso's turning 19 this fall, while his compatriot, Axel Vang Christiansen, crushed him at Euro U20 xc (gold to bronze), last year, and the latter is turning 18 in late July. Lilleso on the track has the better credentials at present, though. In his 18th year, he ran 13:40. In his 19th, he's run 13:31 and 7:48/49. Christiansen ran 13:44 on the track last year at 16, before his 17th birthday, and ran 13:42 on the roads at Monaco in February at 17. Denmark has two great prospects improving consistently.
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Vang also ran 29:02 on the roads earlier this spring to win the Danish 10K championships by some 40 sec.
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zxcvzcvx wrote:
Notably, Lilleso's turning 19 this fall, while his compatriot, Axel Vang Christiansen, crushed him at Euro U20 xc (gold to bronze), last year, and the latter is turning 18 in late July. Lilleso on the track has the better credentials at present, though. In his 18th year, he ran 13:40. In his 19th, he's run 13:31 and 7:48/49. Christiansen ran 13:44 on the track last year at 16, before his 17th birthday, and ran 13:42 on the roads at Monaco in February at 17. Denmark has two great prospects improving consistently.
At the moment I consider Axel the most promising. He possibly already this year has po-tentiel to go sub 28 in the 10.000m, sub 13:30 in the 5.000m and sub 8:30 in the 3000m st.
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douglas burke wrote:
Lllll wrote:
I was watching an old race from the 70s. Finns were dominating.
Top Finn guy last year was a 13:55 and 29:23. Crazy how slow they are now…
For whatever Reason Finland Track/Running And Field Went from a Country known for great distance Runners to Javelin Throwers.
Top Finn guy would probably be 5th on NP XC team.
On the other hand the top Danish HS kid is running similar times to Pre’s.
Pre would be shocked…
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Top Nordic times in 2021
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1
27:57.63
Zerei Kbrom MEZNGI
12 JAN 1986
NOR
2
Sportcity Regional Arena, Manchester (GBR)
25 JUN 2021
1135
2
28:09.89
Zerei Kbrom MEZNGI
12 JAN 1986
NOR
1f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
1117
3
28:11.71
Sondre Nordstad MOEN
12 JAN 1991
NOR
1
Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR)
04 JUN 2021
1114
4
28:18.72
Zerei Kbrom MEZNGI
12 JAN 1986
NOR
2
Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR)
04 JUN 2021
1103
5
28:36.06
Sigurd Ruud SKJESETH
24 DEC 1996
NOR
1f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
1077
6
28:36.80
Hlynur ANDRÉSSON
16 SEP 1993
ISL
2f2
Birmingham University Athletics Track, Birmingham (GBR)
05 JUN 2021
1076
7
28:46.40
Eivind ØYGARD
18 FEB 1992
NOR
2f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
1061
8
28:47.19
Narve Gilje NORDÅS
30 SEP 1998
NOR
2f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
1060
9
28:48.92
Suldan HASSAN
01 APR 1998
SWE
1
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
05 SEP 2021
1058
10
28:53.64
Archie CASTEEL
13 AUG 1996
SWE
7f2
Birmingham University Athletics Track, Birmingham (GBR)
05 JUN 2021
1051
11
28:58.49
Jonas LEANDERSSON
22 JAN 1990
SWE
1
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
29 JUN 2021
1043
12
29:05.62
Archie CASTEEL
13 AUG 1996
SWE
1f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
1033
13
29:06.35
Oliver LÖFQVIST
05 MAY 1998
SWE
2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
05 SEP 2021
1032
14
29:11.78
Sigurd Ruud SKJESETH
24 DEC 1996
NOR
3f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
1024
15
29:14.89
Oliver LÖFQVIST
05 MAY 1998
SWE
2f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
1019
16
29:15.02
Archie CASTEEL
13 AUG 1996
SWE
3
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
29 JUN 2021
1019
17
29:18.80
Omar NUUR
12 JAN 2001
SWE
4f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
1014
18
29:22.91
Bjørnar Sandnes LILLEFOSSE
17 JUL 1992
NOR
4f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
1008
19
29:23.94
Eero SALEVA
07 OCT 1995
FIN
5f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
1006
20
29:25.76
Emil MILLÁN DE LA OLIVA
24 JUL 2001
SWE
9
Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE)
19 MAY 2021
1004
21
29:28.58
Olle AHLBERG
08 SEP 1997
SWE
1
Ryavallen, Borås (SWE)
27 AUG 2021
999
22
29:28.66
Jonas LEANDERSSON
22 JAN 1990
SWE
2
Ryavallen, Borås (SWE)
27 AUG 2021
999
23
29:30.12
Erik Udø PEDERSEN
09 APR 1994
NOR
3f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
997
24
29:31.54
Petter JOHANSEN
02 APR 1998
NOR
4f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
995
25
29:33.13
Marius VEDVIK
18 MAR 1992
NOR
5f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
993
26
29:33.98
Jarkko JÄRVENPÄÄ
22 AUG 1986
FIN
1
Ratina Stadium, Tampere (FIN)
29 AUG 2021
992
27
29:36.58
Alexander NILSSON
14 APR 1995
SWE
1
Slottsskogsvallen, Göteborg (SWE)
01 MAY 2021
988
28
29:38.74
Jonas GERTSEN
15 DEC 1998
DEN
20f1
Griswold Stadium, Portland, OR (USA)
28 MAY 2021
985
29
29:39.09
Antti IHAMÄKI
02 FEB 1997
FIN
2
Ratina Stadium, Tampere (FIN)
29 AUG 2021
984
30
29:42.81
Omar NUUR
12 JAN 2001
SWE
3
Ryavallen, Borås (SWE)
27 AUG 2021
979
31
29:44.71
Robin ROHLÉN
05 MAY 1990
SWE
6f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
976
32
29:46.19
Otto KINGSTEDT
06 JUN 1994
SWE
7f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
974
33
29:46.33
John KINGSTEDT
11 SEP 1992
SWE
4
Ryavallen, Borås (SWE)
27 AUG 2021
974
34
29:47.31
Otto KINGSTEDT
06 JUN 1994
SWE
2
Athletics Stadium, Lublin (POL)
23 AUG 2021
973
35
29:47.43
Eero SALEVA
07 OCT 1995
FIN
20f2
Birmingham University Athletics Track, Birmingham (GBR)
05 JUN 2021
972
36
29:47.84
Ossi KEKKI
29 OCT 1993
FIN
3
Ratina Stadium, Tampere (FIN)
29 AUG 2021
972
37
29:47.93
Simon STEINSHAMN
18 MAR 1999
NOR
5f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
972
38
29:48.12
Trym TØNNESEN
04 FEB 2000
NOR
6f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
971
39
29:48.87
Robin ROHLÉN
05 MAY 1990
SWE
4
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
29 JUN 2021
970
40
29:49.51
Kristian Holm JENSEN
09 DEC 1997
DEN
3
Franklin Field, Philadelphia, PA (USA)
24 APR 2021
969
41
29:49.72
Philip MASSACAND
12 MAY 2002
NOR
7f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
969
42
29:52.04
Abdelfath YASSIN
18 JUL 1995
SWE
8f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
966
43
29:52.80
John KINGSTEDT
11 SEP 1992
SWE
9f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
965
44
29:55.41
Andreas JANSSON
07 APR 1996
SWE
11f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
961
45
29:56.65
John BÖRJESSON
03 MAR 1992
SWE
12f2
Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE)
04 MAY 2021
959
46
29:56.95
Petter JOHANSEN
02 APR 1998
NOR
6f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
12 SEP 2021
959
47
29:57.92
Anders GRAHL
13 JAN 1987
SWE
5
Ryavallen, Borås (SWE)
27 AUG 2021
957
48
29:58.79
Erik GUNDERSEN
05 FEB 2001
NOR
9f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
956
49
29:59.20
Tord Franke ULSET
06 MAY 2003
NOR
10f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 2021
956
50
30:00.00
Kristian PYTTEN
07 AUG 2000
NOR
11f1
Stadion, Kristiansand (NOR)
26 JUN 202113 -
zxcvzcvx wrote:
I'll take David Rudisha as the best 800m man of all time, no question.
He won Olympic Gold twice, one in the still-standing world record of 1:40.91 (almost ten years now) leading the entire way. He won World Championship 800m gold twice, 2011/2015. He won double World Junior gold at 800m and 4x400m(!). And finally, he ran the top three performances ever, six out of the top eight, and 11 out of the top 21 all-time performances at 800m.
All-time men's best 800 m
1 1:40.91 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 London 09.08.2012
2 1:41.01 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 29.08.2010
3 1:41.09 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Berlin 22.08.2010
4 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Köln 24.08.1997
5 1:41.24 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1rA Zürich 13.08.1997
6 1:41.33 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 10.09.2011
7 1:41.51 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Heusden-Zolder 10.07.2010
8 1:41.54 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
9 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 1 Firenze 10.06.1981
9 1:41.73 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Stockholm 07.07.1997
9 1:41.73 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 2 London 09.08.2012
12 1:41.74 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 New York City 09.06.2012
13 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz BRA 12.03.63 1 Köln 26.08.1984
14 1:41.83 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12.12.70 1 Rieti 01.09.1996
15 1:41.89 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 1 Monaco 12.07.2019
16 1:42.01 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Rieti 06.09.2009
17 1:42.04 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1rA Oslo 04.06.2010
18 1:42.05 Emmanuel Korir KEN 15.06.95 1 London 22.07.2018
19 1:42.12A David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Nairobi 23.06.2012
20 1:42.14 Nijel Amos BOT 15.03.94 1 Monaco 20.07.2018
21 1:42.15 David Rudisha KEN 17.12.88 1 Rio de Janeiro 15.08.2016
His contribution to race history is a great motivator for others to try to repeat or break his record. He is like Barack Obama about whose tactics and leadership style I did an essay on https://eduzaurus.com/free-essay-samples/leadership-styles-and-tactics-of-barack-obama/ when I was still in college. So let's wait for new stars to emerge.
Given his results, I agree that David Rudisha would be the best runner of all time and I had no idea how many records he had in a conditional small period of a couple of years.
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