His post race interview with LRC seemed strange to me.
If I'm an unsponsored runner coming off the race of my life, I'm going to do whatever I can to show some personality when I'm infront of the media.
I get he was exhausted but you need to do something outside of a 7th day Boston for shoe companies to throw serious money at you.
He does have personality. Unfortunately that personality is being kind of a prickly pear. I don't mind; not everyone has to be all ra ra sis boom ba. But, to shoe companies which try to peddle the inspirational power of running and/ or the happy go lucky community run vibe.... yes, perhaps he will have to pick up a few more Lululemon race singlets in the meantime. Maybe Colleen Q can send some his way :(
His post race interview with LRC seemed strange to me.
If I'm an unsponsored runner coming off the race of my life, I'm going to do whatever I can to show some personality when I'm infront of the media.
I get he was exhausted but you need to do something outside of a 7th day Boston for shoe companies to throw serious money at you.
That interview made me laugh. He wanted to blend into the wall, cause no pressure that way! He talked about being disappointing after getting getting a lot of attention from 2019. I think he would rather do well and get no attention than the other way around.
So, yeah, good for Faubs for going sub 2:09—and his choice of the new Lululemon singlet—but it doesn't do much for me as a fan cause he made the stakes low. Yay, incremental improvement of your own personal goals. At least CJ gave me someone to root for for 21 miles.
His post race interview with LRC seemed strange to me.
If I'm an unsponsored runner coming off the race of my life, I'm going to do whatever I can to show some personality when I'm infront of the media.
I get he was exhausted but you need to do something outside of a 7th day Boston for shoe companies to throw serious money at you.
That interview made me laugh. He wanted to blend into the wall, cause no pressure that way! He talked about being disappointing after getting getting a lot of attention from 2019. I think he would rather do well and get no attention than the other way around.
So, yeah, good for Faubs for going sub 2:09—and his choice of the new Lululemon singlet—but it doesn't do much for me as a fan cause he made the stakes low. Yay, incremental improvement of your own personal goals. At least CJ gave me someone to root for for 21 miles.
That interview made me laugh. He wanted to blend into the wall, cause no pressure that way! He talked about being disappointing after getting getting a lot of attention from 2019. I think he would rather do well and get no attention than the other way around.
So, yeah, good for Faubs for going sub 2:09—and his choice of the new Lululemon singlet—but it doesn't do much for me as a fan cause he made the stakes low. Yay, incremental improvement of your own personal goals. At least CJ gave me someone to root for for 21 miles.
Oh, I mean the pre-race interview w/Jon.
He’s slightly better on the coffee club podcast. As with most distance runners, a bit bland (I’m one of them too). There’s only so much you can talk about burritos until you are better off a food blogger.
The question is, would you give him (or anyone else) 50k a year for two marathons and a handful of road races each year? Is he going to help your brand net an extra 200-300k? Is he consistent enough?
He’s slightly better on the coffee club podcast. As with most distance runners, a bit bland (I’m one of them too). There’s only so much you can talk about burritos until you are better off a food blogger. The question is, would you give him (or anyone else) 50k a year for two marathons and a handful of road races each year? Is he going to help your brand net an extra 200-300k? Is he consistent enough?
Excellent point. But, I think you actually hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the burrito love. I mean this thread is now about Scott's personality (or lack thereof) and we have to say, "well he's a burrito connoisseur," "his thing is burritos," "a real burrito-loving man"... it's a piece of rolled up tortilla with beans in it. That's his personality thing? His "cool quirk?" There you go right there; that tells you all you need to know about the likelihood he will be making the big bucks in the near future.
Is it worth 50k? These companies don't bat an eye at 50k. Scott could easily live off of that as he would stretch it out but he deserves much more. We forget just how effective even moderate influence is. Hundreds of people have probably already gone to Lululemon and bought singlets. It is just economics. Scott would make whomever much MORE money than he will ever see in return. The dude was bonked when he was interviewed. So was CJ, so was Des. They just gave it everything they had for our entertainment and now we are circling back like booger eaters, picking at how they comport themselves after they just died a little today. Many great runs today. I wish for him an awesome financial arrangement that contributes positively to both his family and his continued pursuits in the marathon.
His previous PR was from a flatter and faster course. The hills at Boston make it extremely difficult to PR. In my opinion is 2:08:52 is worth a 2:07:40 on a flat and fast course
If the shoes make you a minute faster, are you telling me that these African studs of today are slower equivalent than that guy?
Depends how the shoe story is embellished. I thought some were suggesting top pros were getting 1.5-3(?) minutes out of the ‘super-shoes’.
The estimated range for elite males over a marathon was estimated at 1.5-2 minutes, for women it was 2-3 minutes. I've also read that for most elites, the advantage will likely be towards the lower end of that range as they are more efficient to start with.
I find the those estimates to be totally believable, and I prefer it to the alternative, which would be that Kipchoge us in PEDs. The guy took 1:18 off the WR, the biggest single leap since the 1960s (you know, the days when athletes weren't allowed nutrition and ran in string vests). Kipchoge is freakishly good, but leaps in physiology of that size don't occur in such a short space of time. I still think Kipchoge is the GOAT, all his competitors have super shoes so he doesn't have an advantage over them, but I'm not certain he would have the WR without super shoes.
Also, someone mentioned Rob De Castella and asked why Fauble is only running times comparable to his. De Castella was the WR holder, he was one of the greats of his era. That his times still compare even a little favorably in the modern era tells you how good he was in his day. With modern training, nutrition, recovery, physio, and now the shoes, he'd easily be in the 2:04-2:05 range
Is it worth 50k? These companies don't bat an eye at 50k. Scott could easily live off of that as he would stretch it out but he deserves much more. We forget just how effective even moderate influence is. Hundreds of people have probably already gone to Lululemon and bought singlets. It is just economics. Scott would make whomever much MORE money than he will ever see in return. The dude was bonked when he was interviewed. So was CJ, so was Des. They just gave it everything they had for our entertainment and now we are circling back like booger eaters, picking at how they comport themselves after they just died a little today. Many great runs today. I wish for him an awesome financial arrangement that contributes positively to both his family and his continued pursuits in the marathon.
What's the profit on a singlet, $20? Or a pair of shoes, $50? For him to be worth $50,000, he'd have to influence 2500 people to buy a singlet or 1000 people to buy a pair of shoes.
He's got 434 followers on Twitter and 21-22 thousand on Instagram. I guess he might be worth $50k if his sponsors believe that 1 out of 10 of his followers is going to purchase their gear because of his influence. Or another way of looking at it is will he generate $2.50 in sales for them per follower? That seems a little on the high side but I'm not a marketing expert.
I hope for the sport of running that he gets a good contract because if guys like him could get $200k a year the sport might have a chance of getting much bigger. But I've been watching for decades and running seems to stay at a level where not too many people can even eke out a basic living doing it professionally. Somehow these guys have to generate a larger following for themselves. The "booger eaters" matter to the sponsors since they are the eyeballs they seek to attract. Getting your every move criticized as a pro is part of the job. I'm sure he doesn't give a red sh!t what anybody here thinks.
His previous PR was from a flatter and faster course. The hills at Boston make it extremely difficult to PR. In my opinion is 2:08:52 is worth a 2:07:40 on a flat and fast course
His PR was also in Boston (he finished first American in 2019, 2:09:09). He ran another 2:09 high at the marathon project. Finished 4th there. This was a paced time-trial specifically designed so people would run fast, but he didn’t PR or get on the podium. Then a disappointing run at the OT marathon, and a terrible Boston last year. Those 3 were all subpar for what he was expecting, so he left the NAZ Elite team.
Is it worth 50k? These companies don't bat an eye at 50k. Scott could easily live off of that as he would stretch it out but he deserves much more. We forget just how effective even moderate influence is. Hundreds of people have probably already gone to Lululemon and bought singlets. It is just economics. Scott would make whomever much MORE money than he will ever see in return. The dude was bonked when he was interviewed. So was CJ, so was Des. They just gave it everything they had for our entertainment and now we are circling back like booger eaters, picking at how they comport themselves after they just died a little today. Many great runs today. I wish for him an awesome financial arrangement that contributes positively to both his family and his continued pursuits in the marathon.
I hope he gets a contract soon. Don’t see a reason why he wouldn’t. I can understand a lot of the posters being jaded because he didn’t run for the win, but it would take a 2:06 to win this year, and he can’t run that (yet?). I actually think he took just as big a risk as CJ, except his was financial. He’s 30 years old, and decided to leave his sponsor, bet on himself to crush it at Boston, then go look for a new employer. That takes guts, too. But when you’re doing that, you need to run your best race, not chase a unicorn over Heartbreak. I’m hoping asics or saucony take notice. Ryan Halls retired, and Jared Ward is probably not gonna be competitive again. Here’s their next American male runner…
It's fun to analyze results and talk running, but if he DIDN'T run a PR people here would be telling him to hang em up. He runs a PR and it's not such a great performance.
He ran a PR and had a great race at Boston. Let's hope for his continued improvement.
His 2:09 in Boston was run with a significant tailwind. This year there was a bit of a headwind in the last 10k. I'd say that given the shoes and the conditions, this was an equivalent or slightly better performance. Doing that after switching coaches relatively recently seems like a good sign to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run 2:07 on a fast course.
Fauble, late in his career, decided not to run with the leaders and to scoop a conservative top ten great result. Good for him (and only him).
That is the attitude and approach that won’t advance American marathoning. As has been stated he didn’t materially improve on his time prior even with new shoes.
We need folks like CJ who are as fit or fitter as Fauble and not afraid to go for it. One of these races it will come together (for him or someone like him), and the bar will be raised for American Marathoning. Someone needs to break that psychological barrier who isn’t Ryan Hall or Galen Rupp
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