I am making a bet with large stakes with some friends that I could maintain 5:30 pace for a full marathon. I can run close to 14:30 for a 5K and the longest run I have ever done is 17 miles close to 6:00 flat, which was quite relaxed. Do I have a shot at making bank or have I thrown away money?
I am a 15:30 5k runner (15:22 technically) and I have gone 2:25 in regular flats. So, yes, definitely possible for a 14:30 guy to run 2:24 in super shoes. I would think more like 2:15-2:19
Some of the amateur bowerman guys have pretty slow 5k times relative to their marathon pb (at CIM).
Patrick Reaves has ran 2:17 and Peter Bromka has ran 2:19, neither of them has run sub 15.
Depends. Did you (or these guys) run their 5km PRs on the track in non-super spikes....but then run the road marathon in Supershoes?
The shoes alone in a road marathon (if compared to an old track 5km PR in non-super shoes) are going to give one an edge probably by 2-3 minutes in a marathon at least.
Back in my day I ran my 5km PR (14:29) on an indoor track in old crappy spikes about 8 months after I ran a 2:21 in college (in old regular EVA foam shoes with no carbon plates). Eventually got down to 2:16 high at Hansons and the 5km PR stayed the same. I doubt I could've gone much under 14:20 (if ever), but the focus has to shift to more long Tempo efforts (5 x 2-miles, 3 x 3 miles etc) and 20-22-mile long runs. 100mpw + also helped with the marathon.
Lots of guys could run sub 14:30 for 5km in college at the DI level. Not as many will be able to translate that to a sub 2:18 necessarily...but a 2:24 is very possible and quite a bit "easier".
I ran a marathon in the mid-2:24s at a time when my 5K PR (in a road race) was only 15 flat. But I was also a strength-based runner who trained high-mileage.
Yes, exactly. I ran with two different runners years ago. One ran 14:31 5k and 2:25 marathon, the other, 14:29 5k and 2:23 marathon. If you run 14:30 5k exactly, you should run 2:24 marathon. Statistics don't lie.
I am making a bet with large stakes with some friends that I could maintain 5:30 pace for a full marathon. I can run close to 14:30 for a 5K and the longest run I have ever done is 17 miles close to 6:00 flat, which was quite relaxed. Do I have a shot at making bank or have I thrown away money?
I used to run with an endurance monster who ran 15:35 and 2:24.
Easily doable. Not as easy to actually pull it off. You need decent weather and a flat course. Staying healthy can be struggle and plenty lose motivation along the way. I have a good friend who ran 14:08 and life after college makes it hard to dedicate the time and energy.
I honestly can’t break 16 minutes in a 5K and have run 2:26 a few times.
Some of the amateur bowerman guys have pretty slow 5k times relative to their marathon pb (at CIM).
Patrick Reaves has ran 2:17 and Peter Bromka has ran 2:19, neither of them has run sub 15.
Depends. Did you (or these guys) run their 5km PRs on the track in non-super spikes....but then run the road marathon in Supershoes?
The shoes alone in a road marathon (if compared to an old track 5km PR in non-super shoes) are going to give one an edge probably by 2-3 minutes in a marathon at least.
Back in my day I ran my 5km PR (14:29) on an indoor track in old crappy spikes about 8 months after I ran a 2:21 in college (in old regular EVA foam shoes with no carbon plates). Eventually got down to 2:16 high at Hansons and the 5km PR stayed the same. I doubt I could've gone much under 14:20 (if ever), but the focus has to shift to more long Tempo efforts (5 x 2-miles, 3 x 3 miles etc) and 20-22-mile long runs. 100mpw + also helped with the marathon.
Lots of guys could run sub 14:30 for 5km in college at the DI level. Not as many will be able to translate that to a sub 2:18 necessarily...but a 2:24 is very possible and quite a bit "easier".
I ran my 5km PR on the track in normal spikes, but I am years away from having a chance at sub 15, let alone even thinking about running a marathon.
Reaves and Bromka were definitely in supershoes for their marathons, and probably for their track 5ks as well.
The answer is yes. However, this does not mean every 14:30 5k guy can run 2:24. If they have not prepared, then they will struggle. If they are more of a 1500 runner, then they may struggle.
If you have not run longer than 17 miles, then I think you will struggle to run 2:24. Still, you might be able to if you. It depends on your physical and mental makeup.
I am making a bet with large stakes with some friends that I could maintain 5:30 pace for a full marathon. I can run close to 14:30 for a 5K and the longest run I have ever done is 17 miles close to 6:00 flat, which was quite relaxed. Do I have a shot at making bank or have I thrown away money?
Obviously it depends on the individual, but I know a 15:30 5K runner who ran a negative split 2:28 in his first marathon. Based on that, it's hard to imagine somebody who could run a 5K a full minute faster not being able to run a marathon 4 minutes faster. That said, this guy was definitely more distance-oriented. If you were to say you were also a 1500 meter stud and that you struggled to break 32 min for 10K, I'd suddenly like your chances a whole lot less.
My 5000 pr was 15:11 at the time I set my marathon pr of 2:18:27. I suggest that you focus on long runs, long intervals (2km/3km), good mileage (90-100mpw) and some long uphill runs if you have access to them. Good luck to you
Excellent training approach, Jason. I have some questions on the specifics.
1) How long are the “long runs?”
2) What’s the rest period between the 2kms or the 3kms?
3) How often are doubles in the 90-100mpw?
4) Other than an interval workout, were any runs at faster than your half marathon pace?
I've never broken 15:30 for a 5k but have run 2:24. I am maybe an extreme example of a marathoner but as others mentioned it's all about the training. given 4-6 months of focus on the marathon only you should be able to run 2:24 easily. If you are in 14:30 shape now but aren't training for a marathon you may be in for a rude awakening around miles 18-24
I have heard of OT qualifiers who have only run around 15:00 for 5k, but who is the slowest? Anyone ever run slower than 15 for 5k and still be able to make the OT's?
