What would you say is the slowest one can be to run 2:20-2:22 in distances (when trained for) such as 3k 5k 10k half?
What would you say is the slowest one can be to run 2:20-2:22 in distances (when trained for) such as 3k 5k 10k half?
Huh?
lol sorry for the poor sentence structure. I meant to say what is the slowest someone has run in the 5k and up that has finished a marathon in 2:20 or so
16.00
Khalid Khannouchi ran a 5k in 18:04 back in 2003. I only know this because I beat him by over a minute.
I'd say there is a 16:01 guy somewhere that has run 2:20:01
Can't see a 16 min 5K runner (5:08 pace) being able to hold 5:20 for 26.2, but who knows.
For the most part 8:45 3K, 15:00, 5K, and 31:00 would be be about the slowest for a hard working marathoner type to run 2:20. That said, I bet there are some exceptions out there, but I'd be shocked, shocked I tell you, if anyone slower than 15:20s/30s 5K, or 31:50 10K or slower has ever gone 2:20 or faster.
bangalangadanga wrote:
I'd say there is a 16:01 guy somewhere that has run 2:20:01
not a chance
Not A Fatty wrote:
http://athlinks.com/time.aspx?eventid=69414Khalid Khannouchi ran a 5k in 18:04 back in 2003. I only know this because I beat him by over a minute.
I find those results to be a little suspect. Particularly these:
Jack Brennan (age 61) - 15:44
Leo Gormley (age 60) - 16:26
John Bates (age 79!) - 17:39 This has to shatter the record
Back to the original topic though...
I remember back in 2004 when the OTQ was still 2:22, I remember reading about some guys in the low-mid 15 range for 5k being qualifiers. Don't remember anyone by name, but I tend to agree with the above poster that a 15:00/31:00 is probably around the minimum prerequisite for a low-2:20's marathon.
pablo wrote:
Not A Fatty wrote:http://athlinks.com/time.aspx?eventid=69414Khalid Khannouchi ran a 5k in 18:04 back in 2003. I only know this because I beat him by over a minute.
I find those results to be a little suspect. Particularly these:
Jack Brennan (age 61) - 15:44
Leo Gormley (age 60) - 16:26
John Bates (age 79!) - 17:39 This has to shatter the record
Back to the original topic though...
Very suspicious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_masters_athletics#5000_metresGoing back in time a while, Max White ran 2:22 something and I don't think he ever broke 15:00 for three miles let alone 5 km or broke 32:00 for six miles. In the same era, Jim Pearson ran 2:22 and never broke 15:00/31:00 for 3/6 miles. Phil Stewart, now director of the Cherry Blossom race did 2:19:58 with a best mile of 4:29, I don't think Phil was ever under 31:00 for six miles either, and a guy in California called Byron Lowry ran 2:21 with a mile best of 4:32. More recently, though not real recently, Kelvin Broad managed 2:22 with a 14:30-14:40 5,000 best and a 10,000 in the 30-31 range.
But your "when trained for" comment, though a little unclear, complicates the question. Guys like Pearson and White were marathoners/ultra-marathoners and even Phil, who didn't exactly specialize in ultras, did run both London to Brighton and a couple thirty six mile races. In those days you really only raced at 10,000 meters and below on either the track or in cross country and there weren't many opportunities for post collegiate runners to do either of those. Most of us really only did them sporadically, which is to say that none of the guys I mentioned were likely to have "trained for" the 5,000/10,000 or raced those distances frequently or seriously once they were out of school.
It's very likely that if they had been at all serious about shorter distance races they'd have had faster times but there's no way of knowing how fast. Bill Rodgers best 10,00 was 28:04 and he too, really never ran the distance seriously. Bill Squires thinks that BR could have run at least 27:40 if he'd been serious about the 10,000. That's about a 25 second improvement. So let's say those slower guys could have improved by similar margins, maybe 25-60 seconds at 10,000 and half as much at 5,000. So they might have been able to run their Imperial times at the metric equivalents while also running 2:19-2:22.
There was a thread here some years back called something like "Who is the slowest person ever to break 2:22 in the marathon." Might be worth finding.
yeah its hard to say because, for example, ive never broken 9:00 in a 3000 but have gone under 2:20. i havent run an actual 3k since high school. there are 3 ways to think about this
1. times the runner actually ran like my >9:00 3k
2. times the runner could have run while in peak marathon shape, and
3. time the runner could have run if he actually focused on the race being discussed
My PRs set in the same year (2002) are 15:12 for 5K and 2:22 for the Marathon. When I was in the Trials no one had a 5K PR anywhere near as slow as mine.
Miles and Miles - you still racing/training seriously? I remember reading your posts about 10 years ago and it was inspiring.
Thanks everyone for your input. this is interesting
TLW wrote:
Miles and Miles - you still racing/training seriously? I remember reading your posts about 10 years ago and it was inspiring.
Yes I am still racing. I have had a ton of injury issues dating all the way back to 2003. So I haven't been nearly as fast as I was in 2002. As a matter a fact ALL my PRs (Mile through Marathon) are from that same year (2002). I am racing but it's not always pretty.
bangalangadanga wrote:
I'd say there is a 16:01 guy somewhere that has run 2:20:01
I think NOT!
Jim Peters 10000m time is quite slow
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/pe/jim-peters-1.html
Here's the thread I mentioned.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=198506&page=1
Does anyone know Michael Wardian's PRs at shorter distances? He is a guy that focused on longer distances like many of the guys HRE mentions.
HRE wrote:
Going back in time a while, Max White ran 2:22 something and I don't think he ever broke 15:00 for three miles let alone 5 km or broke 32:00 for six miles. In the same era, Jim Pearson ran 2:22 and never broke 15:00/31:00 for 3/6 miles. Phil Stewart, now director of the Cherry Blossom race did 2:19:58 with a best mile of 4:29, I don't think Phil was ever under 31:00 for six miles either, and a guy in California called Byron Lowry ran 2:21 with a mile best of 4:32. More recently, though not real recently, Kelvin Broad managed 2:22 with a 14:30-14:40 5,000 best and a 10,000 in the 30-31 range.
But your "when trained for" comment, though a little unclear, complicates the question. Guys like Pearson and White were marathoners/ultra-marathoners and even Phil, who didn't exactly specialize in ultras, did run both London to Brighton and a couple thirty six mile races. In those days you really only raced at 10,000 meters and below on either the track or in cross country and there weren't many opportunities for post collegiate runners to do either of those. Most of us really only did them sporadically, which is to say that none of the guys I mentioned were likely to have "trained for" the 5,000/10,000 or raced those distances frequently or seriously once they were out of school.
It's very likely that if they had been at all serious about shorter distance races they'd have had faster times but there's no way of knowing how fast. Bill Rodgers best 10,00 was 28:04 and he too, really never ran the distance seriously. Bill Squires thinks that BR could have run at least 27:40 if he'd been serious about the 10,000. That's about a 25 second improvement. So let's say those slower guys could have improved by similar margins, maybe 25-60 seconds at 10,000 and half as much at 5,000. So they might have been able to run their Imperial times at the metric equivalents while also running 2:19-2:22.
There was a thread here some years back called something like "Who is the slowest person ever to break 2:22 in the marathon." Might be worth finding.