That's a fine performance and another one second drop for Flatt. Another second and he'd be scaring the U.S. indoor record, and it would make an excellent race outdoors to see Flatt race Sumner (1:48.14, I think). Colin Sahlman ran sub 1:51 indoors, which is solid. I would bet that Newbury Park does not do a lot of the kind of speed you need to do to run 1:47, at least not at this time of year. They emphasize mile through 5k and their training is suitable up to 8k. Wait and see him drop a lot of time in the 800m in college or whenever he gets to compete at that distance more often. I actually don't anticipate much of that at NAU, which is similar in focus on the college level to Newbury Park.
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It is clear why Cade Flatt was successful.
He read the Pure Hate 800 thread on here to supplement his 'undertraining'.
Training + Pure Hate = 1:47 outdoors
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///5 wrote:
Infinity88 wrote:
There is a real chance for Colin to get 1:49’s this year imo. He could train more for it and maybe a Sub-1:50 could be here.
First ever sub-1:50/4:00/8:30 guy?
Jakob ran 1:49.40 and 3:56 when he was 16. He, however, never ran the 3.200m (but a 3000m at 8:00 also at 16).
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king999 wrote:
Let the excuses begin. Sahlman is a mile/2mile type, not an 800/mile type, they exist by the way.
I think Sahlman will be a 5K guy in the future and in college. Everyone wants to be a miler, but I have a feeling he's going to be great at the long distances.
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zxcvcxzv wrote:
Colin Sahlman ran sub 1:51 indoors, which is solid. I would bet that Newbury Park does not do a lot of the kind of speed you need to do to run 1:47, at least not at this time of year. They emphasize mile through 5k and their training is suitable up to 8k. Wait and see him drop a lot of time in the 800m in college or whenever he gets to compete at that distance more often. I actually don't anticipate much of that at NAU, which is similar in focus on the college level to Newbury Park.
Yeah he hasn't really gone to the right school to specialize as an 800 guy. Nur and Nico ran some great miles this year, so the training translates there. TBF if he really wants to project as a miler, I think he should've given Oregon a look. Teare has gotten his 800 down to 1:47.48i on a double and he looked more like a mile-5k guy entering college.
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US = white wrote:
fast dudes wrote:
US got another 800 star in the making...
This is how I knew he was a white guy. This phrase would never be uttered about a black high school 800 meter runner.
I seem to remember Duane Solomon being Gatorade athlete of the year, for example (and there's many more examples, that's just who I thought of). Just stop.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
zxcvcxzv wrote:
Colin Sahlman ran sub 1:51 indoors, which is solid. I would bet that Newbury Park does not do a lot of the kind of speed you need to do to run 1:47, at least not at this time of year. They emphasize mile through 5k and their training is suitable up to 8k. Wait and see him drop a lot of time in the 800m in college or whenever he gets to compete at that distance more often. I actually don't anticipate much of that at NAU, which is similar in focus on the college level to Newbury Park.
Yeah he hasn't really gone to the right school to specialize as an 800 guy. Nur and Nico ran some great miles this year, so the training translates there. TBF if he really wants to project as a miler, I think he should've given Oregon a look. Teare has gotten his 800 down to 1:47.48i on a double and he looked more like a mile-5k guy entering college.
It has nothing to do with the school. The best HS XC runner in the U.S. is not an 800 guy.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Yeah he hasn't really gone to the right school to specialize as an 800 guy. Nur and Nico ran some great miles this year, so the training translates there. TBF if he really wants to project as a miler, I think he should've given Oregon a look. Teare has gotten his 800 down to 1:47.48i on a double and he looked more like a mile-5k guy entering college.
It has nothing to do with the school. The best HS XC runner in the U.S. is not an 800 guy.
I was talking about committing to NAU, which churns out great 1,500-10,000 guys. If he truly project himself as a miler long-term and wants to prioritize the 800, my suggestion would be Oregon.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
It has nothing to do with the school. The best HS XC runner in the U.S. is not an 800 guy.
I was talking about committing to NAU, which churns out great 1,500-10,000 guys. If he truly project himself as a miler long-term and wants to prioritize the 800, my suggestion would be Oregon.
There’s no reason for him to run the 800m. In the mile through 5000m, he holds all of the cards; he has the best top-end speed and is just as strong as anyone else in the field. Why would he prioritize a distance where his strength might, or might not, overcome a disadvantage in raw speed?
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I was talking about committing to NAU, which churns out great 1,500-10,000 guys. If he truly project himself as a miler long-term and wants to prioritize the 800, my suggestion would be Oregon.
There’s no reason for him to run the 800m. In the mile through 5000m, he holds all of the cards; he has the best top-end speed and is just as strong as anyone else in the field. Why would he prioritize a distance where his strength might, or might not, overcome a disadvantage in raw speed?
I agree. Colin Sahlman just jumped in a 800m at indoor Nationals and ran 1:50. I bet no specific 800m training.
Maybe he will run another 800m this spring, but I doubt it. I can't find the interview, but I remember Brosnan saying Colin was going to attempted the 13:37 5000m HS record this spring. If that's the case a 1:50 indoors is amazing and no need to bother running those. It was cool he came back after that 4xmile and raced 800m though
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US = white wrote:
fast dudes wrote:
US got another 800 star in the making...
This is how I knew he was a white guy. This phrase would never be uttered about a black high school 800 meter runner.
Solid insight.
Let's watch the deniers lose their minds
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nike shill wrote:
US = white wrote:
This is how I knew he was a white guy. This phrase would never be uttered about a black high school 800 meter runner.
I seem to remember Duane Solomon being Gatorade athlete of the year, for example (and there's many more examples, that's just who I thought of). Just stop.
Can you show us all the Letsrun threads praising this guy?
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I was talking about committing to NAU, which churns out great 1,500-10,000 guys. If he truly project himself as a miler long-term and wants to prioritize the 800, my suggestion would be Oregon.
There’s no reason for him to run the 800m. In the mile through 5000m, he holds all of the cards; he has the best top-end speed and is just as strong as anyone else in the field. Why would he prioritize a distance where his strength might, or might not, overcome a disadvantage in raw speed?
For guys that want to run the 1500/mile long-term they run the 800 periodically. I agree right now there is no reason for him to run the 800. But you'd be hard-pressed to find many 1500 pros that don't at least put down a sub-1:48 800m clocking every now and then and work on their speed. This has not been Mike Smith's MO at NAU, that is all I have suggested. At the high school level, yes his speed is more than adequate. So was Drew Hunter's for instance.
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Sumner would demolish both.
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Great to see Colin tuning up his 800m speed. He should do a few 800s and maybe get down to 1:48, then rip a 3:54 mile at Pre.
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Alan Webb would have won nationals in xc in most years, yet he ran 1:47.7 in high school as well, best in the nation, and went on to run 1:43.84 in his only shot at a quick race in top form. Sahlman, like other top milers, has the ability to run a fast 800 for his level. Guys trained in this kind of system don't do work fast enough to maximize at 800 even in outdoor track. Don't forget that Donavan Brazier was a 15:30 xc guy.
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Nice run for Flatt, but he has no shot at handling CS or any of NP's top-4 at 1500 or longer. His post-race smack-talking on NP would be more palatable if he actually raced them at their best distances. Of course, maybe with his swagger he will...102
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Take the bait wrote:
Nice run for Flatt, but he has no shot at handling CS or any of NP's top-4 at 1500 or longer. His post-race smack-talking on NP would be more palatable if he actually raced them at their best distances. Of course, maybe with his swagger he will... https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=videos&video_id=324132
"I wanted to make them question why they were in this event." "Maybe a little more competition." "I ain't worried about them."
This guy might be my new favorite runner...........
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westie boy wrote:
Take the bait wrote:
Nice run for Flatt, but he has no shot at handling CS or any of NP's top-4 at 1500 or longer. His post-race smack-talking on NP would be more palatable if he actually raced them at their best distances. Of course, maybe with his swagger he will... https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=videos&video_id=324132
"I wanted to make them question why they were in this event." "Maybe a little more competition." "I ain't worried about them."
This guy might be my new favorite runner...........
Flatt reminds me of Pre... who later drove into a rock.
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Definitely my new favorite! This kid is exactly what this sport needs!
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