26:33 w/ a fast close confirms Fisher is a serious medal threat in the WCs. Unbelievable he can threaten Kiplimo & Cheptegei now.
Definitely in the medal mix, but maybe too soon to think that he will threaten an on-their-game Kiplimo, Cheptegei and Barega in the final kick. These guys are so strong that their last 400 it is an all-out sprint that is nearly impossible to match. I trust Grant to be there, even more than a Yomif Kejelcha type right now, but can he break 55 if those 3 guys (and potentially Aregawi, Ahmed et al) are in a furious sprint to run 26:4x.
Is everyone gonna ignore the fact that one of Fisher's teammates was busted last year? I mean east Africans runners are considered very suspicious just for having the same agent as a busted athlete. This dude has a teammate and a coach who says he doesn't even know PEDs exist!
26:33 w/ a fast close confirms Fisher is a serious medal threat in the WCs. Unbelievable he can threaten Kiplimo & Cheptegei now.
Definitely in the medal mix, but maybe too soon to think that he will threaten an on-their-game Kiplimo, Cheptegei and Barega in the final kick. These guys are so strong that their last 400 it is an all-out sprint that is nearly impossible to match. I trust Grant to be there, even more than a Yomif Kejelcha type right now, but can he break 55 if those 3 guys (and potentially Aregawi, Ahmed et al) are in a furious sprint to run 26:4x.
Fisher's gotta land on the podium this summer to give his 26:33 some relevancy, esp if Barega does the 1500/3000 double in Belgrade and medals in Eugene also.
Sorry, with the shoes, any legit 26:30 runner will be getting close to 26:00. Fisher's result looks good because of the shoes. Problem is, everyone has them. Anyone even close to 26:30 shape this year will run near 26:10. Cheptegei was a 26:30 runner when he ran 26:11. Fisher is faster now by 15 seconds than Cheptegei was just a year before his WR.
Also, I don't want to hear anything about Mo Farah's suspicious late development ever again. Moh Ahmed just dropped his PR by 25 seconds at age 31 - and his old PR was set wearing super shoes, so this is all training (or something else for the cynical)
Bad faith comparison. 25 year old Farah couldn't make the 5000 final in Beijing; 25 year old Ahmed was 4th in Rio missing bronze by one second.
You are also leaving out the part where Ahmed's old PB was a championship final. Last night was only the 2nd non championship 10,000 he has competed in since 2016 (the other being Payton Jordan 2017 which was a tactical affair won in 27:30).
Since Rio 2016 5000m final he has placed 4th, 6th, 3rd, 2nd in global champ outdoor 5000s and 8th, 6th, 6th in 10,000m. He's been consisntely one of the best distance track guys in the world for 6 years straight.
Give 2018 Ahmed super spikes + pace lights and he runs 26:50 no sweat. Last night was unsurprising for him.
They said the same thing about hot falcon, coughlan, wheating and gregorek
That's cool but I dont recall any of them running the 7th fastest time ever in the discipline and actually beating a recent Olympic medalist. Where they even top 50?
When Joe Falcon won the Dream Mile in Oslo in 1990, he was the 11th fastest performer ever for one mile and he defeated Peter Elliott who was the reigning Olympic silver medalist and Commonwealth Games champion.
Definitely in the medal mix, but maybe too soon to think that he will threaten an on-their-game Kiplimo, Cheptegei and Barega in the final kick. These guys are so strong that their last 400 it is an all-out sprint that is nearly impossible to match. I trust Grant to be there, even more than a Yomif Kejelcha type right now, but can he break 55 if those 3 guys (and potentially Aregawi, Ahmed et al) are in a furious sprint to run 26:4x.
Fisher's gotta land on the podium this summer to give his 26:33 some relevancy, esp if Barega does the 1500/3000 double in Belgrade and medals in Eugene also.
Medals or bust is a tough standard. I’d say he backs it up if he finishes top 5 in both, and mixes it up in the Diamond League.
Fisher's gotta land on the podium this summer to give his 26:33 some relevancy, esp if Barega does the 1500/3000 double in Belgrade and medals in Eugene also.
Medals or bust is a tough standard. I’d say he backs it up if he finishes top 5 in both, and mixes it up in the Diamond League.
Fair enough, but top 5 in both the 5 and 10 is a big ask. I hope doubles in Eugene, nonetheless. Fisher tearing through the DL like a madman would be must-watch TV, as would a sub-60 attempt in Valencia to finish the year.
Sorry, with the shoes, any legit 26:30 runner will be getting close to 26:00. Fisher's result looks good because of the shoes. Problem is, everyone has them. Anyone even close to 26:30 shape this year will run near 26:10. Cheptegei was a 26:30 runner when he ran 26:11. Fisher is faster now by 15 seconds than Cheptegei was just a year before his WR.
What??? The shoes allow one to drop 20 seconds in a 10k? Sorry folks, the shoes may be slightly better than the previous iteration, but not everyone is dropping 20 seconds in a 10k because of shoes. It’s all bs. For a hobby jogger - yes. For an elite runner it’s ridiculous.
as has been said on numerous other threads, PEDS will always provide a much greater improvement in performance than shoes ever will. Even in the freakin marathon, I would expect Kipchoge could run within 30 seconds of his best performance in non super shoes.
Canadian born Fisher and Canadian immigrant Ahmed are the two top 5k and 10k runners in North America.
USA in shambles
Couldn't agree more. While Fisher is looking good, US distance running is garbage right now. We're down to the guy who just finished 5th in the Olympics but is now all of a sudden miraculously a favorite to win the WC and a bunch of high school kids at Newbury Park. Did anyone even see Woody in the Olympic 10k. Did he get lapped twice?
I mean we've also got a guy who medalled in the 5000 at 3 of the last 4 global champs. Wouldn't say Fisher is ALL we have.
Yeah but there's something about the other guy that makes him less popular on this site. Can't qwhite put my finger on why so many users forget about Chelimo.
I mean we've also got a guy who medalled in the 5000 at 3 of the last 4 global champs. Wouldn't say Fisher is ALL we have.
Yeah but there's something about the other guy that makes him less popular on this site. Can't qwhite put my finger on why so many users forget about Chelimo.
He's also getting old and won't be a factor at 34 in a 5K in the next Olympics. I meant from the next generation. He's obviously been great but I highly doubt that will continue for long in that event.
He's also getting old and won't be a factor at 34 in a 5K in the next Olympics. I meant from the next generation. He's obviously been great but I highly doubt that will continue for long in that event.
Farah won his second 5000 gold at 33, and Lagat remained globally competitive into his 40s. Seems unwise to preemptively count out a great championship racer like Chelimo. It's not a 1500--if you're an experienced and savvy tactician who still has sub-13 fitness, you can be a World Champs and Olympic medallist.
US got 5000 studs in 1) Fisher 2) Hocker 3) McGorty 4) Kincaid
No one else is coming close. All these guys belong in top 15 in the world now and soon to be top 10.
McGorty hasn't broken 13 or made a national team but sure, he's top 15 in a world of Cheptegeis, Baregas, Ingebrigtsens, Ahmeds, and now Fishers. And Hocker is a world-class 1500 stud but you're right, he should be ranked top 15 globally in an event he has yet to run as a pro. (/s, obviously)
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