milesplit needs to stop hyping this kid up. he is a huge talent but no kid at that age can live up to the hype. look at the NP boys. they run fast, then get hyped. every race harrison enters is a sub 4 attempt (according to milesplit). it’s too much and he doesn’t deserve it until he actually breaks 4.
milesplit needs to stop hyping this kid up. he is a huge talent but no kid at that age can live up to the hype. look at the NP boys. they run fast, then get hyped. every race harrison enters is a sub 4 attempt (according to milesplit). it’s too much and he doesn’t deserve it until he actually breaks 4.
I guess that’s what happens when you run 4:01 as a junior and then make a YouTube vlog channel about it.
milesplit needs to stop hyping this kid up. he is a huge talent but no kid at that age can live up to the hype. look at the NP boys. they run fast, then get hyped. every race harrison enters is a sub 4 attempt (according to milesplit). it’s too much and he doesn’t deserve it until he actually breaks 4.
I guess that’s what happens when you run 4:01 as a junior and then make a YouTube vlog channel about it.
Is he a huge talent though, or has he been seriously training since he was in grade school?
No difference at all. Ryun didn’t start running until his sophomore year and any advantage from an early start is gone within a year of starting HS.
You actually just proved my point quite well. Thanks.
(Remember, we know RH’s been training seriously since well before high school.)
How did I prove your point? I’m saying he would have run 4:01 as a junior with or without running in middle school. If Ryun had trained like a pro at age 11, would he have run 3:50 as a senior?
You actually just proved my point quite well. Thanks.
(Remember, we know RH’s been training seriously since well before high school.)
How did I prove your point? I’m saying he would have run 4:01 as a junior with or without running in middle school. If Ryun had trained like a pro at age 11, would he have run 3:50 as a senior?
Oh- I’m sorry- I didn’t think anyone could think in such an absurd way.
Why would you think RH would have run 4:01 as a junior without the additional 4-5 years of training (a solid portion with Tinman, mind you) beforehand?
And yes, all else being equal, Ryun would have run even faster in high school if he started serious training earlier in life.
How did I prove your point? I’m saying he would have run 4:01 as a junior with or without running in middle school. If Ryun had trained like a pro at age 11, would he have run 3:50 as a senior?
Oh- I’m sorry- I didn’t think anyone could think in such an absurd way.
Why would you think RH would have run 4:01 as a junior without the additional 4-5 years of training (a solid portion with Tinman, mind you) beforehand?
And yes, all else being equal, Ryun would have run even faster in high school if he started serious training earlier in life.
An early start is not going to improve top-end speed or talent in general. Running in middle school is relatively new and there were many great HS runners before it was available. German Fernandez didn’t run in middle school and missed about a year of training due to injuries during HS.
There is a clear talent difference between a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 2-3 years of high school training (Fernandez, Fisher, Kessler, etc), and a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 6-7 years of training on a structured program (i.e. Tinman’s youth training business model).
There is a clear talent difference between a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 2-3 years of high school training (Fernandez, Fisher, Kessler, etc), and a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 6-7 years of training on a structured program (i.e. Tinman’s youth training business model).
To claim otherwise is crazy talk.
There were plenty of HS runners that ran fast as juniors before the advent of the Tinman youth model (whatever that is). Again, an early start is not going to result in better top-end speed and any aerobic advantage would be gone by the junior year. 2-3 years is enough and it’s going to come down to talent and the rate of physical maturity.
His problem is he avoids real competition. If you want to break 4 why didn't you go to NYC to race against the one guy who did break 4 in HS this season? Where were you with the runninglane race where all the big dawgs showed up?
He hides in Florida and expects to throw up big times solo. Not happening.
There is a clear talent difference between a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 2-3 years of high school training (Fernandez, Fisher, Kessler, etc), and a 17 year old kid running 4:00 after 6-7 years of training on a structured program (i.e. Tinman’s youth training business model).
To claim otherwise is crazy talk.
There were plenty of HS runners that ran fast as juniors before the advent of the Tinman youth model (whatever that is). Again, an early start is not going to result in better top-end speed and any aerobic advantage would be gone by the junior year. 2-3 years is enough and it’s going to come down to talent and the rate of physical maturity.
“Any aerobic advantage would be gone by junior year” is 100% unfounded and unscientific.
The accumulated aerobic and lactate threshold advantage from 4+ extra years of training those specific systems does not evaporate after two years of high school.
The fact that RH ran 4:01/:02? right after his sophomore year (!) and hasn’t made a significant jump in two years indicates he was VERY well trained from an early age, and now natural talent/capability limits are increasingly becoming part of the equation. Much like Hunter. And the Ping sisters. And Greydon Morris. See the pattern?
So again… Is he really [that] talented? Or was he just trained well from a young age?
No. The vast majority of kids who are placing at AAU and USATF national meets at 12-13-14 in distance events are not the ones who excel as 18 year olds.
No. The vast majority of kids who are placing at AAU and USATF national meets at 12-13-14 in distance events are not the ones who excel as 18 year olds.
THEN THEY AREN’T THAT TALENTED TO BEGIN WITH, which was THE POINT of my initial statement!!
So now you BOTH have proven my point beautifully. Thank you.
milesplit needs to stop hyping this kid up. he is a huge talent but no kid at that age can live up to the hype. look at the NP boys. they run fast, then get hyped. every race harrison enters is a sub 4 attempt (according to milesplit). it’s too much and he doesn’t deserve it until he actually breaks 4.
Newbury Park does pre-race hype too. They just live up to it. They made no secret of aiming for the "national record" at RunningLane and making a goal of trying to sweep the top 4 which they almost did.
There were plenty of HS runners that ran fast as juniors before the advent of the Tinman youth model (whatever that is). Again, an early start is not going to result in better top-end speed and any aerobic advantage would be gone by the junior year. 2-3 years is enough and it’s going to come down to talent and the rate of physical maturity.
“Any aerobic advantage would be gone by junior year” is 100% unfounded and unscientific.
The accumulated aerobic and lactate threshold advantage from 4+ extra years of training those specific systems does not evaporate after two years of high school.
The fact that RH ran 4:01/:02? right after his sophomore year (!) and hasn’t made a significant jump in two years indicates he was VERY well trained from an early age, and now natural talent/capability limits are increasingly becoming part of the equation. Much like Hunter. And the Ping sisters. And Greydon Morris. See the pattern?
So again… Is he really [that] talented? Or was he just trained well from a young age?
4:01 really is that talented. Craig Virgin started running his freshman year and managed 9:20, 8:57, 8:52 and 8:41. Are you saying he would have run 8:41 as a junior and senior if he had been doing that Tinman thing in middle school?
Starting running in 9th grade is early enough and performance will have dovetailed by Junior year. Before Tinman, many HS runners had minimal improvement from their junior to senior years.
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