Well obviously the thread title should be changed to 15-20 miles per week. Am I missing something? She did 10 for awhile but now it is 15-20. This also reminds me a bit of Badger miles in Madison. The way people count miles can be misleading. Some might not even count warmups and cooldowns.
astro wrote:
Btw is she running at the Dempsey? Wasn't that track always considered ineligible for indoor high school records because it is oversized? It think it is a 306 meter Mondo track.
Correct, she may run an indoor best, but will not count as an indoor HS record.
Just seems odd to say you are targeting a record then to choose a venue where it won't be legal if you broke it.
astro wrote:
Again good luck to her.
But on this issue of records if she is running at the Dempsey this will not be eligible. Here is a quote from Milesplit that I cut and pasted when Tuohy set the 3000m record:
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"There is a lot to process there. Tuohy's mark bested the previous record held by Mary Cain, at 9:04.51, which was also our State Record. Cain had actually run 9:02.10 while in HS Indoors, but it was run at the Dempsey, an oversize track which is ineligible for Records. At that same track, Alexa Efraimson (Camas, WA) ran 9:00.16, but again, on an oversize track. Only Katie Rainsberger (Air Academy, CO) has run legally faster than Tuohy, but did so Outdoors with a 9:00.62. It makes Tuohy the #2 performer All-Time, and top Indoors."
I believe Track & Field News will list it as run on an "Over-Sized" Track like they did for the 3000 meters Indoors.
https://trackandfieldnews.com/high-school-all-time-indoor-top-10s-girls/MileSplit can chose whatever record criteria they for their record list ... One of the NY State Track Chairpersons told years ago, "He who makes the list makes the rules".
Talent, but watching her running form makes my blood run cold. Seems like she's about to get injured on every stride.
Well it is the officially accepted rule. Oversized tracks are ineligible for a reason. I get why they chose the venue; it is the fastest possible venue in a college race where there is plenty of pacing support with the oversized track advantage. But it was chosen in spite of being an ineligible venue because it will ensure the fastest possible time. Then again the running sites hailed that time trial a few years back as a record, so maybe it is a good strategy. In track you can still tilt the playing field.
more is on wrote:
Same here. I ran 4:13 on 25MPW in HS but only ran 4:09 in college on 60MPW.
For both you and the other poster I am positive there is far more to the story, as neither of you were fully developed aerobically in HS.
No runner would not improve by a smart, slow build to 60 from 25.
I am guessing you were either
a) Not recovering (partying, sleeping, eating poorly, etc)
b) Not wearing the right shoes
c) Not running the proper paces
d) Had mental or other issues
e) Crosstraining an additional 5-10 hrs/week in HS outside of running (maybe another sport?)
I reckon you were a sub-4 miler with the right college program.
10 mpw? Time to kms I guess LOL
bigmig19 wrote:
The Ghost of Randy Savage wrote:
Why is that so unbelievable? Six hours of cross training on an elliptical machine or Zero Runner would equate to 30-35 miles of easy running (assuming that a similar HR is met). Add 15-20 miles of quality focused work and you have a reasonable training volume for a high school kid.
I will speak for me only and say that "cross training" doesnt convert to one to one for running (or even 2:1). Running is violent. Lance Armstrong himself was amazed at how hard running was. The x training is better than no cross training but good lord...16min HS girl on that mileage? I am both impressed and DEpressed.
It would be a great Sports Med trial though. Have two groups, one running, one running half as far but with cross training for aerobic base. But the typical feeling is that if you do your base as something non weight bearing like Bike or Swim....the the quality stuff (running) is going to pound you because of the lack of protection/adaptation of easy miles on the connective tissue. I would think...if you only pounded the pavement for intervals, threshold and speedwork, your body would be unhappy. Then again sprinters do that? Mind blown.
And boy she has a poor gait. But its identical to ...I cant remember her name...elite east african female marathoner. Runs exactly the same with knock knees, and feet flipping all over the place,
A couple of things to keep in mind regarding high school athletes and low mileage:
1. Their times are still way off of world class marks. Talent can get to a certain point without a lot of miles (say, 16 minutes for a high school girl) but it may actually take 80-100 miles weekly for years to gain the fitness and the strength to run low to mid 14 minutes like the world's best.
2. Teenagers are still running relatively short races. Running is hard and beats you pretty badly but there is a big difference between marathon/half marathon and even 8/10K XC punishment vs. Mile/2 Mile races on softer track surfaces and 5K on grass/dirt. Regardless of age, everyone should avoid the roads as much as possible for long term health.
Eat well. Sleep well. Do not party..
P5 provided the best shoes.
Top 30 program. Good coaching so correctc paces. Had several faster guys on team..
4.0 student. No mental issues.
Came from very successful High School program that thrives on low mileage. Many 1:51/4:12 type guys through the years. Loaded up on speed in HS.
Nothing she does besides running equates to running, that's sort of a backwards way of looking at it.
What she is doing is basic conditioning work; my guess is she is not out to replace jogging at all.
That other work she does may be more useful in some ways and less useful in others.
The big advantage is staying healthy and of course limiting heat stress in the summer.
If she runs 4 days/week that's 2 hours of other conditioning work on those days.
The days she is not running, that's another 2 hours/week, giving her a total of 4h supplemental work.
Her total running time is likely under 75'/week on average.
Kamin wrote:
Well obviously the thread title should be changed to 15-20 miles per week. Am I missing something? She did 10 for awhile but now it is 15-20. This also reminds me a bit of Badger miles in Madison. The way people count miles can be misleading. Some might not even count warmups and cooldowns.
That's my point. People will read the title of the tread and roll with that when it's completely false. I don't really believe the 15-20 miles either because some don't count the things you have listed. 20 is a lot different than 10 that's for sure.
astro wrote:
Amazing how frequently we have heard that over the years. A broken clock is right twice a day, so maybe it will happen. But the real challenge in this sport is longevity.
Yeah I tend to think hyping up American distance prodigies is not really good for anyone. The opportunities, resources and spikes have improved, so we'll see faster times. Ultimately there is a huge way to go from running 15:30s-15:40s in HS when the best women in the world are running 14:10 and can run back to back 14:30s. You could say the same for HS boys and I would tend to agree, as we might go crazy over a 7:55/13:40 when the top half-dozen pros run 30 and 60 seconds faster. This is different than Athing Mu running that 600 she ran, or Erryon Knighton running 19.8. Even Hobbs Kessler at 3:34 is a different boat entirely being 6 seconds off of it.
There's really no way to know who will really break through like an Evan Jager and then which athlete who runs an 8:40 2 mile will peak at being a 13:30 5K guy or not even that. Or on the women's side going from 15:4x to 15:1x.
Kamin wrote:
Well obviously the thread title should be changed to 15-20 miles per week. Am I missing something? She did 10 for awhile but now it is 15-20. This also reminds me a bit of Badger miles in Madison. The way people count miles can be misleading. Some might not even count warmups and cooldowns.
Warmups and cooldowns should not be counted! They are just preparing and after-treatment to avoid injuries.
astro wrote:
Just seems odd to say you are targeting a record then to choose a venue where it won't be legal if you broke it.
Gault should have brought it up in the interview, unless he is not aware.
Jack Drag wrote:
Kamin wrote:
Well obviously the thread title should be changed to 15-20 miles per week. Am I missing something? She did 10 for awhile but now it is 15-20. This also reminds me a bit of Badger miles in Madison. The way people count miles can be misleading. Some might not even count warmups and cooldowns.
Warmups and cooldowns should not be counted! They are just preparing and after-treatment to avoid injuries.
Are they not running on the warmups and cooldowns?
Jack Drag wrote:
Kamin wrote:
Well obviously the thread title should be changed to 15-20 miles per week. Am I missing something? She did 10 for awhile but now it is 15-20. This also reminds me a bit of Badger miles in Madison. The way people count miles can be misleading. Some might not even count warmups and cooldowns.
Warmups and cooldowns should not be counted! They are just preparing and after-treatment to avoid injuries.
That is your opinion and you are likely in the minority. But you corroborate my obvious point that counting mileage is done differently by different people.
lol @ the "not counting warmup and cooldown mileage" coping going on here.
mmm maybe she's not counting her warmup and cooldown mileage. maybe she forgot the "1" in front of the "10", that would make total sense as you need to run 110mpw to hit those kinds of times
We really like Cook and hope she is successful. She's a throwback, old school, low key runner. She runs the regular schedule of high school meets, and shows up at the meaningful regional and national meets. Heck, she even showed nice improvement over course of Sr xc campaign. Never drama and she's a frontrunner. Tuohy approved.
Pretty sure oversized track pure accident, was just right timing and competition.
Low mileage hard to create improvement, but great to maintain your fitness level. Age group triathletes will often after a build up period, switch to only running 3xweek (long, intervals, tempo) and use bike and swim to replace all easy recovery. Saves time committed, and reduces chance of injury.
What someone says they're going and actually doing are 2 separately things. Coe came out with that bs for years it's like people who say they never study.