P.O. wrote:
I seriously doubt Hocker was able to run 3:33 at age 10.
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P.O. wrote:
I seriously doubt Hocker was able to run 3:33 at age 10.
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But he didn't!
Yeah Hocker has a great kick and he may beat Jakob in the future.
Nobody was beating Mak Daddy in 2012. If Centro was not coming off an injury, he would have been silver or bronze instead of 4th. Leo was brilliant that day too.
Rui Silva returns to form to emulate his 2004 olympic run where he closed in 55.0/51.3 (going around 3/4 of the field) to run 3.34.68 and have enough time to turn around and yell 'your move' to Hocker while winning the race by 1+ seconds.
bestkickindaworld wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ&t=396sMak Daddy last lap was 52.7 to run 3:34.08.
https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/olympic-games/the-xxxii-olympic-games-athletics-7132391/results/men/1500-metres/semi-final/resultAccording to the splits above, Hocker closed his last 400m in 52.8 to run 3:33.87.
Put Hocker in the 2012 Olympic 1500m final and he wins.
Hocker's kick is NOT overrated. He can win a lot of championship style races with it.
Rubbish.
What was he? 13 years old?
No way he'd win an olympics. He wouldn't have even made the team
Hard to imagine that he would have shown up Makh Daddy at his best in 2012. Makh Daddy later ran 1:42.6 for 800m and 3:28.8 for 1500m. He was a speed and power guy more than anything. This was also pre-souped up spikes.
bestkickindaworld wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ&t=396sMak Daddy last lap was 52.7 to run 3:34.08.
https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/olympic-games/the-xxxii-olympic-games-athletics-7132391/results/men/1500-metres/semi-final/resultAccording to the splits above, Hocker closed his last 400m in 52.8 to run 3:33.87.
Put Hocker in the 2012 Olympic 1500m final and he wins.
Hocker's kick is NOT overrated. He can win a lot of championship style races with it.
The OP's reasoning doesn't even make sense. Makhloufi had a slightly faster last lap in a slightly slower race. The overall times are basically the same, but it certainly doesn't make sense to say "Hocker would clearly have beaten Makhloufi, because his kick was slightly slower than Makhloufi's in this one race". Surely you wouldn't claim to infer that in any of the numerous historical 1500m races in which the winner ran faster overall than the 3:34:08 winning time of the 2012 Olympics, but with a slower last lap, that the winner of the whatever race would have won the 2012 Olympics.
Also, why do only the overall time and last 400m matter? What if, for example, I dig around and find a 1500m race in which Alan Webb ran sub-3:34 with a faster last 100 (or 200, or 300) than Makhloufi in 2012? Would that prove that Alan Webb would have won the 2012 Olympic 1500?
Passant wrote:
As far as I know, the best kickers:
- Said Aouita (1:43:86 in 800m)
- Sebastian Coe
- Cheruiyot
- Asbel Kiprop (1:43:15 in 800m)
- Noah Ngeny (1000m WR)
anything else needs to be proved.
I hardly see in Cole Hocker the shape of a good 800m runner.
Ryun was a better kicker than any of them.
https://athleticsweekly.com/featured/jim-ryun-worlds-deadliest-finisher-1039939173/Every olympic final is special and brings the true champion, luck, training, strategy all goes into it. That is what makes it so special. Don't take anything away from those who got metals, except for those proven guilty of cheating
bidenwon wrote:
Passant wrote:
As far as I know, the best kickers:
- Said Aouita (1:43:86 in 800m)
- Sebastian Coe
- Cheruiyot
- Asbel Kiprop (1:43:15 in 800m)
- Noah Ngeny (1000m WR)
anything else needs to be proved.
I hardly see in Cole Hocker the shape of a good 800m runner.
Ryun was a better kicker than any of them.
https://athleticsweekly.com/featured/jim-ryun-worlds-deadliest-finisher-1039939173/
I don't to pick on J. Ryun. We know he didn't have the opportunity of World Championships. That said, Ryun had his chances. Ryun never 1200m split a 1500m race sub-2:50. At Ryun's size and his alleged 400m speed, Ryun should have been a lower mileage 800m specialist. IMO, Ryun traded in 800m gold at both 1968 &1972 Olympics chasing 1500m/one mile glory.
I think Cole Hocker would've won the gold in the 1500m 1912 Olympics. Come on, give it to him!! Let's all sign a petition!
This is weak. I am a fan of his, but he needs to prove himself now.
P.O. wrote:
I seriously doubt Hocker was able to run 3:33 at age 10.
I beg to differ