It’s true: Covid is less dangerous than car accidents or pneumonia

joed irt wrote:

[quote]speaking of clowns wrote:

Which brings us back to this stupidity:

For those under 25, COVID has almost never presented an excess risk of fatality

for that group in your chart, the chances of an unvaccinated person under the age of 29 dying with COVID is 7/1 million.

CDC excess deaths:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Pull up data for individuals under 25. It is not significantly different than for any of the last five years.

With Omicron upwards of 80-90% of hospitalizations and deaths for those 18 and under are individuals that were admitted for reasons other than COVID.

you can go out of your way to attempt to minimize the math, but it's stupid.

2500 people under 25 have died of COVID since 2020. That's not excess anything. That's dead people.

Every piece of research shows that your chance of dying, no matter your age, is exponentially smaller if you get your vaccines and booster.

End of discussion.

speaking of clowns wrote:

[quote]joed irt wrote:

[quote]speaking of clowns wrote:

Which brings us back to this stupidity:

For those under 25, COVID has almost never presented an excess risk of fatality

for that group in your chart, the chances of an unvaccinated person under the age of 29 dying with COVID is 7/1 million.

CDC excess deaths:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Pull up data for individuals under 25. It is not significantly different than for any of the last five years.

With Omicron upwards of 80-90% of hospitalizations and deaths for those 18 and under are individuals that were admitted for reasons other than COVID.

you can go out of your way to attempt to minimize the math, but it's stupid.

2500 people under 25 have died of COVID since 2020. That's not excess anything. That's dead people.

Every piece of research shows that your chance of dying, no matter your age, is exponentially smaller if you get your vaccines and booster.

What research is that?

I would certainly prefer to get omicron over pneumonia. Or a car accident

carmine9 wrote:

I would certainly prefer to get omicron over pneumonia. Or a car accident

I am certain I had omicron a few weeks ago. No big deal. Mild flu symptoms for 2 days, while the cold symptoms went on for another 10 days after that.

Less dangerous than car crashes? Total nonsense. There are about 40-60k dead per year of car crashes. There have been about 450,000 per year dying of COVID. It will be over 900,000 in the first two years of the pandemic, counting from mid-March when the death toll started mounting significantly. Actually, Worldometer already gives the U.S. a death toll of 912,228. The recent average has been over 2,500 per day. At this rate, we may hit a million by the end of the first two years of COVID. I hope not but the death rate would have to slow down a lot soon to avoid it.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Less dangerous than car crashes? Total nonsense. There are about 40-60k dead per year of car crashes. There have been about 450,000 per year dying of COVID. It will be over 900,000 in the first two years of the pandemic, counting from mid-March when the death toll started mounting significantly. Actually, Worldometer already gives the U.S. a death toll of 912,228. The recent average has been over 2,500 per day. At this rate, we may hit a million by the end of the first two years of COVID. I hope not but the death rate would have to slow down a lot soon to avoid it.

Still buying into those fake #s?

Only 6% of people who died "from" Covid did not have at least two other life threatening health conditions

No, 2,500 people under 25, who may have died anyway (there really are no excess deaths in the stats to be certain over that time period), tested positive for COVID when they died in the past two years. To put that in perspective, About 1,400 individuals under 25 die each week in the US (even without COVID), so in an average two-year period close to 145,000 individuals under 25 would be expected to die in that time frame. Even if the 2,500 figure is correct (which is debatable), that represents about 1.7% of deaths that would be expected to occur over the two-year period. Heck, in 2019, there were 4,777 drug overdoses in the 15-24 demographic. In 2020, there were 7,095 (an increase of 2,318 in a single year). So, the rise in overdoses (which is widely attributed to shutdowns and distancing restrictions) resulted in an 85% greater loss of life on an annual basis than the virus itself. Vaxxed or not, those under 25 have little to be concerned about with regards to COVID.

Oh yes, and did I mention Speaking of clowns is a d*** that likes to register anonymous posters handles?

Assuming this is true and I agree with you (which I don't). You wear a seatbelt, right? You practice safe driving? You stop and red lights and stop signs and follow traffic laws? Those are all measures taken to reduce risk. If there's any measure you can take to reduce the spread of COVID, lighten the burden it has placed on our healthcare system, and reduce the impact it is having on families, why wouldn't you? It's selfish not to. At least if you don't wear a seatbelt and you get in an accident you won't cause additional harm to anyone but yourself. The same cannot be said if you fail to take preventative measures against COVID.

broh...

Seatbelts aren't changing my DNA... Big Pharm makes billions...grumble grumble...freeDUM!!

there Steve, saved you some time.

joed|rt wrote:

Simple math:

There are 66.46 million people in the UK

2,124 fully vaccinated and boosted individuals in the UK died of COVID in the first four weeks of 2022

Odds of COVID death among the fully vaccinated and boosted 1 in 31,290

Want some more simple math?

Group Cases Fatalities CFR

Unvaccinated 762,421 1,152 0.15%

Boosted 1,014,108 2,124 0.21%

Your stupidity (or is it just dishonesty - hard to tell the difference on here) has already been exposed in more detail by others. So I will just point out the obvious (and obviously ignored by you with your brilliant conclusions showing CFR for Unvaccinated vs Boosted.

Of your 762,421 unvaccinated, 731,761 (96%) were under the age of 50. For the boosted group the corresponding figure is 477,904 out of 1,014,108 (47%). Think that might have something to do with the CFR you calculated? Just maybe?

How about making a more honest (or were you being honest, just stup!d?) comparison.

By Age Group, the Unvaccinated vs Boosted cases, fatalities and CFR are as follows:

Under 18

Unvaccinated 506,720 10 0.002%

Boosted 1,091 0 0.000%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = infinite

Ages 18 - 29

Unvaccinated 103,692 16 0.015%

Boosted 101,067 1 0.001%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 15

Ages 30 - 39

Unvaccinated 82,142 47 0.05%

Boosted 167,244 8 0.005%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 10

Ages 40 - 49

Unvaccinated 39,207 59 0.15%

Boosted 208,502 15 0.007%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 21

Ages 50 - 59

Unvaccinated 19,212 147 0.77%

Boosted 239,187 59 0.025%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 31

Ages 60 - 69

Unvaccinated 7,258 230 3.17%

Boosted 158,432 170 0.11%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 29

Ages 70 - 79

Unvaccinated 2,526 244 9.66%

Boosted 90,378 451 0.50%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 19

Ages 80+

Unvaccinated 1,664 392 23.56%

Boosted 48,207 1,420 2.95%

Unvaxxed death rate/Boosted death rate = 8

Oddly, you did not present these far more relevant numbers. I wonder why that is.

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

broh...

Seatbelts aren't changing my DNA... Big Pharm makes billions...grumble grumble...freeDUM!!

there Steve, saved you some time.

You do realize wearing a seatbelt will not give you heart disease?

carmine9 wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Less dangerous than car crashes? Total nonsense. There are about 40-60k dead per year of car crashes. There have been about 450,000 per year dying of COVID. It will be over 900,000 in the first two years of the pandemic, counting from mid-March when the death toll started mounting significantly. Actually, Worldometer already gives the U.S. a death toll of 912,228. The recent average has been over 2,500 per day. At this rate, we may hit a million by the end of the first two years of COVID. I hope not but the death rate would have to slow down a lot soon to avoid it.

Still buying into those fake #s?

Only 6% of people who died "from" Covid did not have at least two other life threatening health conditions

93% of everyone who dies has other conditions. 40% of the US is obese. 38k people died of car accidents. That means that over 15k people who died in car accidents also had other life threatening health conditions. We still call them auto accidents because we measure what people died from NOT what they could've died from....idioit.

ummmm wrote:

Assuming this is true and I agree with you (which I don't). You wear a seatbelt, right? You practice safe driving? You stop and red lights and stop signs and follow traffic laws? Those are all measures taken to reduce risk. If there's any measure you can take to reduce the spread of COVID, lighten the burden it has placed on our healthcare system, and reduce the impact it is having on families, why wouldn't you? It's selfish not to. At least if you don't wear a seatbelt and you get in an accident you won't cause additional harm to anyone but yourself. The same cannot be said if you fail to take preventative measures against COVID.

If you don't drive your car on the road you've made the roads a safer place. But yet you drive your car on the roads, don't you? You're putting yourself and others at greater risk by driving on the roads. "That's selfish."

Are you saying I'm selfish for not getting a vaccine? I could bring up the fact I've donated more money than you this year and last year and probably the year before that. Why can't you match my donations or give up more of your pay? "SELFISH."

You see, the institution studies human behavior and psychology to exploit it. They play a game that they understand and the people in general do not. They are oblivious manipulated and played like a fiddle. You're the prototypical subject.

back when seal belt laws were being considered people made that claim. Probably people like you.

also vaccines don't give you heart disease. Anyway most side effects are resolved on their own.

But if you really want to avoid myocarditis , there is this Covid vaccine you should take.

What is “the institution”, Steve? And who are “they”?

Aside from death can you think of any other inconveniences from Covid?

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

back when seal belt laws were being considered people made that claim. Probably people like you.

also vaccines don't give you heart disease. Anyway most side effects are resolved on their own.

But if you really want to avoid myocarditis , there is this Covid vaccine you should take.

Ironic since the vaccine causes myocarditis and big pharma has even conceded to admit that. You're a complete clown.

Institution is the government.

They are the politicians and constituents in control. Shouldn't you know that?

Wow

a whole 297 cases from 20,000,000 shots. Even then article says "may be" a factor. People also develop myocarditis on their own in about the same numbers. May be those people had a predisposition. Other studies show that 80%-90% of those case have mild symptoms and go away on their own.

So 60 people out of 20,000,000 could potentially have trouble.