carmine9 wrote:
NeedForSpeed wrote:
Engels believes it and could not be a top notch miler if he didn't
No need to say out loud, however
Hocker, Tuohy and Hassan might still believe they’re better than Kerr, McCabe and Kipyegon, but I doubt none of them is immune to the torment they’d receive if they aired such thoughts publicly. Maybe Engels is, though.
Who cares, this is fun
Engels v Yared
get hype or whine
cramister wrote:
Who cares, this is fun
Engels v Yared
get hype or whine
I'll get hype after Engels brings it on Sat and calls out Nuguse UFC-style afterward: "Where you at, Yared? Where you at?!?!?"
cramister wrote:
Who cares, this is fun
Engels v Yared
get hype or whine
Who cares about this hype train if Yared doesn't race and Engels gets beat by Hobbs?
1. It's "Olympic team" not "Olympics team."
2. Engels will never beat Nuguse with a team spot on the line. Ever. No amount of talk can or will change that.
I disagree with Engels. Nuguse was definitely in better shape. His solo 3:34 and NCAAs race were more impressive than anything Engels ever did in his career (let's say his 3:33 win, semis in Doha, and 3:34 DL races are at the top). Engels, Nuguse and Hocker all ran tactically poor races. Hocker waited too long to move and had to have a superhuman kick to win a race he wins by 5-10 meters if he runs smartly. Engels and Nuguse let a gap develop and ran wide when they should've been aggressive chasing Centro. I'd counter Craig's take and say maybe he could've won 5 times out of 100 running a much smarter race with Nuguse racing poor tactically. If their tactics were close to even, Nuguse was going to win.
DragonFan wrote:
What Julian and his athletes wanted, most of all, was a name that they themselves could come to define. That’s why catchy but corny nicknames like Pete’s Dragons or Phil’s Knights weren’t going to work. Too many prior associations.
What is the "prior association" for Pete's Dragons? This is not an acceptable excuse for choosing a terrible name.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. I don't think Pete liked that a name like that already meant something in people's minds -- some will automatically associate Pete's Dragons with the movie rather than his team. He preferred to have a name that didn't have a pre-existing connection like that.
Running Cult Member wrote:
1. It's "Olympic team" not "Olympics team."
2. Engels will never beat Nuguse with a team spot on the line. Ever. No amount of talk can or will change that.
Facts.
Aouita 84 wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
Joanthan Gault has written a great feature on the Union Athletics Club. We learn that Donavan Brazier had a great reason for not making the Olympics team, Craig Engels is rejuvenated and much more. Read it now as after 24 hours this feature will go behind our SC paywall.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/01/donavan-brazier-is-back-so-is-craig-engels-and-about-that-name-a-look-at-the-union-athletics-club-ahead-of-millrose/For track fans, the men's 1500/mile always moves the needle and we're sure these quotes from Craig Engels will move the needle as well.
"If I could redo that race (the 2020 US Olympic Trials 1500) 100 different times, I think I would be third 95 of those times. I should have never ever lost to Yared that day."
and
"Hopefully, I can prove indoors that I’m still the US champion and the best miler in America."
I'm a bit suspect of Craig's "Rebirth" saga, and he seems pretty confident (or cocky) as to his current fitness and ability. He leaves zero doubt as to what he is ready to do. He has a new agent, a re-energized relationship with Pete, and the club. I will say this, athletes like Craig are emotionally driven and need constant stimuli and change to be successful. When they find the right combination of coach, training partners, and training environment they can and will perform extremely well. I'm gonna give Craig the benefit of the doubt and believe he is going to run very well this weekend and the upcoming season. He clearly is a talented runner and given his "Refreshed" outlook on the sport I think he will at a minimum run PB's across the board.
Fair.
CopperRunner wrote:
aztec the moronic wrote:
After these comments, I lost what little remaining respect I had for Engels. His is a d*** of the highest order.
They were shoulder to shoulder with 100m to go and Nuguse put 3-4 meters on Engels and was pulling away even more. Nuguse had better form, Engels was breaking down.
This is a very disrespectful thing to say about Nuguse. It's also a flat out lie. I think even Teare would have beat Engels in that 1500m final.
I think teare would’ve made the team. People really sleep on his mile ability. He has the NCAA record, not Hocker. (Yes I know hocker has improved and is probably better now, but just for perspective)
I’m a huge Craig fan but like I said, Hocker, Nuguse and maybe even Teare are ahead of him. I like the Craig and Centro rivalry though.
Craig shines through his tactical ability. He’s not a speed or endurance oriented miler, he’s just a miler that usually has smart tactics. That’s why it’s always fun to watch him and centro go head to head. When his tactics fail however, he fails.
You know he has run 1:44 and almost upset hopped in that same race, right?
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
CopperRunner wrote:
I think teare would’ve made the team. People really sleep on his mile ability. He has the NCAA record, not Hocker. (Yes I know hocker has improved and is probably better now, but just for perspective)
I’m a huge Craig fan but like I said, Hocker, Nuguse and maybe even Teare are ahead of him. I like the Craig and Centro rivalry though.
Craig shines through his tactical ability. He’s not a speed or endurance oriented miler, he’s just a miler that usually has smart tactics. That’s why it’s always fun to watch him and centro go head to head. When his tactics fail however, he fails.
You know he has run 1:44 and almost upset hopped in that same race, right?
Yeah Engels is definitely a speed guy. His 3k and 5k results are really bad compared to his 800
Letsrun: we want more beef in the running world to make it more exciting Letsrun when someone starts some beef:
aztec the moronic wrote:
After these comments, I lost what little remaining respect I had for Engels. His is a d*** of the highest order.
landon wrote:
Letsrun: we want more beef in the running world to make it more exciting
Letsrun when someone starts some beef:
aztec the moronic wrote:
After these comments, I lost what little remaining respect I had for Engels. His is a d*** of the highest order.
Beef would be intriguing between Hocker and Nuguse. Engels is in the rearview of both those guys. Maybe Engels can switch national allegiance to Bermuda or Guam, that would be interesting.
the letter why wrote:
Neither Beamish nor Hoare are American. I mean, he’s also obviously not better than Hocker but strange you would use those as examples.
He said OAC never crossed his mind and I'm saying that's funny because one OAC athlete was an Olympic Finalist in Craig's own event, while another one smoked Craig in the most embarrassing possible fashion in front of 2
10-20k ppl.
Who gives? Nuguse pulled out out of the Olympics and he pulled out of Millrose. He seems to not like to race very much
Had no idea. For whatever reason I thought Craig’s PR was 1:46 low
Arkansassy wrote:
Who gives? Nuguse pulled out out of the Olympics and he pulled out of Millrose. He seems to not like to race very much
One thing I will never accuse Yared Nuguse of: Weak Pull Out Game.
landon wrote:
Letsrun: we want more beef in the running world to make it more exciting
Letsrun when someone starts some beef:
aztec the moronic wrote:
After these comments, I lost what little remaining respect I had for Engels. His is a d*** of the highest order.
There's "beef" and there's NO CLASS. What Engels did is classless. The way he said it is trashy.
Nuguse is still in college, why is Engels starting beef with a college runner? Why is he bragging so much about his ability to finish 3rd when in the past he's been a USA champion and World Champion finalist? Shouldn't he be aiming higher than 3rd?
The fact that he is picking on a schoolboy and has already conceded 1st and 2nd place shows like he's a weak, pathetic, little man. The mullet and mustache are clearly overcompensating for what he lacks in other areas.
22 is no schoolboy. Drew Hunter is in college too. I am taking classes and I am 50. What does college have to do with anything?
You Kidding Me? wrote:
Have another beer and keep talking, Craig.
Someone remind Craig that he did not make the Olympic Team.