Georgetown did it i think in 2016 or 17
Georgetown did it i think in 2016 or 17
YersiniaPestis wrote:
What's up with Ole Miss becoming such a Go To for middle distance runners lately? Who started this?
Say his name. Craig MF'n Engels.
YersiniaPestis wrote:
What's up with Ole Miss becoming such a Go To for middle distance runners lately? Who started this?
Ole Miss is just a place for dudes with a #SigmaGrindset
Yeah, because Wesfly was around in 2016-2017 when Craig Engels, Robert Domanic, Sean Tobin, Trevor Gilley, etc were crushing the middle distances. Vanhoy's been doing this a long time at Ole Miss... When Wesfly was in middle school...why is everyone just noticing now?
So funny that Smulders will be at home watching the DMR on TV at nationals this year. LOL
SEC Truth wrote:
Yeah, because Wesfly was around in 2016-2017 when Craig Engels, Robert Domanic, Sean Tobin, Trevor Gilley, etc were crushing the middle distances. Vanhoy's been doing this a long time at Ole Miss... When Wesfly was in middle school...why is everyone just noticing now?
So funny that Smulders will be at home watching the DMR on TV at nationals this year. LOL
While I agree with most of your post there is one big error. The CEO won't be sitting and watching TV. He'll likely be closing some major deals and making serious bank. Alphas don't sit.
James Young was D2 last year
I think 5 did it last week at UW.
YersiniaPestis wrote:
What's up with Ole Miss becoming such a Go To for middle distance runners lately? Who started this?
This question has raised some scholarly debate over the years. The majority viewpoint among T&F historians is that Craig Engels transferring from N.C. State in late 2013 was the catalyst. Some also argue that the hiring of AD (at the time) Ross Bjork in 2012 was the catalyst. In all honesty both of those events were important. But the timeline of progression looks a little like this:
2012: Ross Bjork is hired as Ole Miss AD, he is one of the youngest AD hires in NCAA D1 at the time. Bjork decides to employ some newer methods to coaching and recruitment with the goal of improving the sports teams and making a name for himself. Because of his age (and watching the movie Zoolander as an impressionable young adult), Bjork is one of the only AD's in D1 at the time who understands the recruiting power behind the strategy of bringing in athletes with really really good hair. People love to compete at programs where the athletes have great hair, and better recruits lead to better teams. Look at the 90s Chicago Bulls for an example; that team went up another level once they brought in Dennis Rodman and his hair game.
2013: One of Bjork's first moves as an AD is to employ a strategy across all programs to bring in athletes with good hair. He gets extremely lucky that Craig Engels was quitting the team at NC State. Bjork is able to convince Craig to transfer by telling Craig that running at Ole Miss is a lot like the gasoline fight scene in Zoolander, except without any repercussions, injuries, or deaths. Craig transferred immediately and bought an RV to make the move.
2013: Craig Engels helps Ross Bjork hire Ryan Vanhoy as the new coach for cross country and men's middle distance at Ole Miss. Engels was familiar with Vanhoy and appreciated the way Vanhoy went about the recruiting process when Engels was in high school. Engels told Bjork that Vanhoy would be the right man for the job because Vanhoy would drive an open top Jeep and drink Orange Mocha Frappuccinos during recruiting visits. Engels reportedly told Bjork that Vanhoy knew how to "get the pistols out, and let the hair down" at the right moments. Bjork, feeling excitement at Engels' reference to hair, hired Vanhoy on the spot.
2014: Vanhoy brings in Robert Domanic and Sean Tobin in an effort to diversify the different kinds of great hair on display in the men's runners. This immediately showed an impact in results.
2014-2019: Ole Miss enjoys a rise to being a very competitive middle distance program in NCAA D1 based on the principles established by Ross Bjork, Craig Engels, and Ryan Vanhoy. One week before the 2017 NCAA championships, Vanhoy reportedly told his DMR team that "water is the essence of moisture, and moisture is the essence of beauty," in an effort to make sure his team was hydrated for the championships. That DMR team went on to win the NCAA title.
2019: Ross Bjork leaves Ole Miss for Texas A&M, largely based on rumors and speculation that there was a young teenage athlete named Athing Mu in the Texas A&M recruiting pipeline who had, like, really really ridiculously good hair.
2019-present: Wesfly happens, showing potential recruits/transfers that the team continues to have great hair, continues to train hard, continues to have fun, and continues to be a good program to train.
Thanks for reading.
Could 8, 9 or even 10 Ole Miss guys go sub 4 this winter?
What is the record in one season for one school?
not_$raddy wrote:
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What disorder is that
jjjjj wrote:
Could 8, 9 or even 10 Ole Miss guys go sub 4 this winter?
What is the record in one season for one school?
This is a great question.
How many are currently there?
bad for business wrote:
jjjjj wrote:
Could 8, 9 or even 10 Ole Miss guys go sub 4 this winter?
What is the record in one season for one school?
This is a great question.
How many are currently there?
“Only” 3 for now. That will change this weekend
Who cares about the DIII guy? Clown NCAA.
Amateur Revisionist Historian wrote:
YersiniaPestis wrote:
What's up with Ole Miss becoming such a Go To for middle distance runners lately? Who started this?
This question has raised some scholarly debate over the years. The majority viewpoint among T&F historians is that Craig Engels transferring from N.C. State in late 2013 was the catalyst. Some also argue that the hiring of AD (at the time) Ross Bjork in 2012 was the catalyst. In all honesty both of those events were important. But the timeline of progression looks a little like this:
2012: Ross Bjork is hired as Ole Miss AD, he is one of the youngest AD hires in NCAA D1 at the time. Bjork decides to employ some newer methods to coaching and recruitment with the goal of improving the sports teams and making a name for himself. Because of his age (and watching the movie Zoolander as an impressionable young adult), Bjork is one of the only AD's in D1 at the time who understands the recruiting power behind the strategy of bringing in athletes with really really good hair. People love to compete at programs where the athletes have great hair, and better recruits lead to better teams. Look at the 90s Chicago Bulls for an example; that team went up another level once they brought in Dennis Rodman and his hair game.
2013: One of Bjork's first moves as an AD is to employ a strategy across all programs to bring in athletes with good hair. He gets extremely lucky that Craig Engels was quitting the team at NC State. Bjork is able to convince Craig to transfer by telling Craig that running at Ole Miss is a lot like the gasoline fight scene in Zoolander, except without any repercussions, injuries, or deaths. Craig transferred immediately and bought an RV to make the move.
2013: Craig Engels helps Ross Bjork hire Ryan Vanhoy as the new coach for cross country and men's middle distance at Ole Miss. Engels was familiar with Vanhoy and appreciated the way Vanhoy went about the recruiting process when Engels was in high school. Engels told Bjork that Vanhoy would be the right man for the job because Vanhoy would drive an open top Jeep and drink Orange Mocha Frappuccinos during recruiting visits. Engels reportedly told Bjork that Vanhoy knew how to "get the pistols out, and let the hair down" at the right moments. Bjork, feeling excitement at Engels' reference to hair, hired Vanhoy on the spot.
2014: Vanhoy brings in Robert Domanic and Sean Tobin in an effort to diversify the different kinds of great hair on display in the men's runners. This immediately showed an impact in results.
2014-2019: Ole Miss enjoys a rise to being a very competitive middle distance program in NCAA D1 based on the principles established by Ross Bjork, Craig Engels, and Ryan Vanhoy. One week before the 2017 NCAA championships, Vanhoy reportedly told his DMR team that "water is the essence of moisture, and moisture is the essence of beauty," in an effort to make sure his team was hydrated for the championships. That DMR team went on to win the NCAA title.
2019: Ross Bjork leaves Ole Miss for Texas A&M, largely based on rumors and speculation that there was a young teenage athlete named Athing Mu in the Texas A&M recruiting pipeline who had, like, really really ridiculously good hair.
2019-present: Wesfly happens, showing potential recruits/transfers that the team continues to have great hair, continues to train hard, continues to have fun, and continues to be a good program to train.
Thanks for reading.
thank you
STRONK wrote:
HPL JD Athlete Yr. Team Time
1 YOUNG, JAMES SR OLE MISS 3:57.81
2 BRACKEN, SHANE JR OLE MISS 3:58.36
3 ELKINS, DERECK JR OLE MISS 3:59.46
4 NOBLE, CHRISTIAN SR LEE (TN) 3:59.70
5 COCCIA, MICHAEL SR OLE MISS 4:01.10
6 BIX, CARSON JR LEE (TN) 4:01.15
7 BULLOCK, COLE SO OLE MISS 4:03.46
PIOTROWSKI, COLE FR OLE MISS DNF
LEWIS, JOHN TFCUSA DNS
FRANKLIN, BAYLOR SR OLE MISS DNS
SMH......why is this still a benchmark for anything? Newsflash 4 minutes for a mile was broken in 1954. 68 years later, idiots are still acting like this is an achievement.
Do we list when guy runs 400m under 47 seconds indoors, or high jumps 7ft (that happened in 1956). If you run a 47 or jump 7ft, these are solid marks in DI, not newsworthy and has happened every week during indoor seasons for decades.
American distance runners, get a life.
347893 wrote:
STRONK wrote:
HPL JD Athlete Yr. Team Time
1 YOUNG, JAMES SR OLE MISS 3:57.81
2 BRACKEN, SHANE JR OLE MISS 3:58.36
3 ELKINS, DERECK JR OLE MISS 3:59.46
4 NOBLE, CHRISTIAN SR LEE (TN) 3:59.70
5 COCCIA, MICHAEL SR OLE MISS 4:01.10
6 BIX, CARSON JR LEE (TN) 4:01.15
7 BULLOCK, COLE SO OLE MISS 4:03.46
PIOTROWSKI, COLE FR OLE MISS DNF
LEWIS, JOHN TFCUSA DNS
FRANKLIN, BAYLOR SR OLE MISS DNS
SMH......why is this still a benchmark for anything? Newsflash 4 minutes for a mile was broken in 1954. 68 years later, idiots are still acting like this is an achievement.
Do we list when guy runs 400m under 47 seconds indoors, or high jumps 7ft (that happened in 1956). If you run a 47 or jump 7ft, these are solid marks in DI, not newsworthy and has happened every week during indoor seasons for decades.
American distance runners, get a life.
Agreed. Sub-4 is barely a notable accomplishment.