Hobbs Kessler is in MONSTER shape right now

Hobbs Kessler

Looks like a Germanic name.

Passant wrote:

Hobbs Kessler

Looks like a Germanic name.

He's from a country that speaks a Germanic language.

makes sense wrote:

Passant wrote:

Hobbs Kessler

Looks like a Germanic name.

He's from a country that speaks a Germanic language.

I looker at his face. Looks more Germanic, like Henry Kissinger.

Apustajan wrote:

why do you yanks always go on and on about mediocre talent. please give us some peace

Normally I would agree with you, but he’s no ordinary talent. Has medal and AR potential at least. He may very well be the first US dude to get under 3:30 for 1500 if Hocker doesn’t beat him too it. This year even.

Passant wrote:

makes sense wrote:

He's from a country that speaks a Germanic language.

I looker at his face. Looks more Germanic, like Henry Kissinger.

"Germanic" is a group of languages, which includes English. His face does not look like a group of languages to me.

They weren't doing the Michigan workout.

Kessler looked totally in control. He ran 3:34 at 18, faster than Alan Webb's American high school record (3:38.26, I think) by four seconds, a second faster than 3:29.05 guy Josh Kerr's old NCAA record and faster even than the new NCAA record. That is a legitimately great prospect right there, world elite quality for 18. Alan Webb ran 3:53.43 mile in high school and went on to run 3:46.91, a time that has not been equaled since he ran it in 2007. Kessler's 3:34 converts to 3:51; he is in shape and has another seven months of training under his belt, Millrose has been won in that range a few times recently (from 2016 to 2019, winners ran 3:48 (Kejelcha), 3:50 (Centro), and 3:53 and 3:54), and he is surely in equivalent shape to the Oregon guys indoors last year who ran 3:50 (Cooper Teare and Cole Hocker).

Funrunkid wrote:

1600, no rest into a 1.2 mile threshold, 60 second rest and then 1200, threshold, 800, threshold, 400. Marathoners do it twice in the elite program. It’s a killer if you actually do the workout. Just the ladder by itself is easy

As I said, weak workout with so much rest.

367243189650 wrote:

I think I missed some news - is Hobbs not going back to Flagstaff?

Ok I should have known it was always the plan to come back to MI after Fall semester in AZ and train with Ron to make the worlds team in the 1500.

The Michigan is a blend of strength/speed & used for cross. You might be doing it wrong if you're taking long rests & overly focusing on the track stuff. You bounce between mile-12-8-4 with 2k tempos. You should be working the tempos &, while you're doing that, you're trying to recover for the next fast portion of the workout on the track.

Anyways, this group is likable & has a good plan for the controlled 3k & then mile at Millrose. Low-3:50s should win there. Wouldn't be shocked to see Kessler run something fast.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

They weren't doing the Michigan workout.

Kessler looked totally in control. He ran 3:34 at 18, faster than Alan Webb's American high school record (3:38.26, I think) by four seconds, a second faster than 3:29.05 guy Josh Kerr's old NCAA record and faster even than the new NCAA record. That is a legitimately great prospect right there, world elite quality for 18. Alan Webb ran 3:53.43 mile in high school and went on to run 3:46.91, a time that has not been equaled since he ran it in 2007. Kessler's 3:34 converts to 3:51; he is in shape and has another seven months of training under his belt, Millrose has been won in that range a few times recently (from 2016 to 2019, winners ran 3:48 (Kejelcha), 3:50 (Centro), and 3:53 and 3:54), and he is surely in equivalent shape to the Oregon guys indoors last year who ran 3:50 (Cooper Teare and Cole Hocker).

i'd lay off the 'converts to'. How many guys have run an actual mile as fast as their 1500m 'converted to'? Mile to mile everything else looks solid.

367243189650 wrote:

I think I missed some news - is Hobbs not going back to Flagstaff?

I believe the plan had been for him to go for a semester, take a semester off to train for worlds and then go back, but I could be wrong.

But how often do athletes run “the mile?” So the conversion is correct. I see your point, and I wish we ran the mile more than the 1500, but, since that doesn’t happen, you have to go with the conversion.

meaningless display wrote:

Funrunkid wrote:

1600, no rest into a 1.2 mile threshold, 60 second rest and then 1200, threshold, 800, threshold, 400. Marathoners do it twice in the elite program. It’s a killer if you actually do the workout. Just the ladder by itself is easy

As I said, weak workout with so much rest.

3/10. Got some responses but still a weak troll. The Michigan is a legit workout. A threshold rep in between a harder rep isn’t a long rest.

bluecat4ever wrote:

And yet you Brits got hyped as heck about career also-ran (until the drugs) Farah.

For the record, I also loathe farah.

Sub-9 guy wrote:

Apustajan wrote:

why do you yanks always go on and on about mediocre talent. please give us some peace

Normally I would agree with you, but he’s no ordinary talent. Has medal and AR potential at least. He may very well be the first US dude to get under 3:30 for 1500 if Hocker doesn’t beat him too it. This year even.

Lagat has gone under 3:30 7 times with 4 times as an American, including his AR of 3:27.4 and Maree ran 3:29.77,

Hopefully Hocker and Kessler can make it #3 and 4 soon

dbshfsb wrote:

meaningless display wrote:

As I said, weak workout with so much rest.

3/10. Got some responses but still a weak troll. The Michigan is a legit workout. A threshold rep in between a harder rep isn’t a long rest.

+1 to dbshfsb

The Michigan workout was designed to mimic a 10k cross country race. That was Ron's intent in it's creation and although his mid-D guys do that workout, it's to build stamina not speed. The workout in the video is not the Michigan and the one in the video is a very Warhurst mid-D workout. Hills followed by pace work. Ron is not a coaching wizard, but he's an American coach that seems to really understand training milers in general and at an individual basis. Hobbs could've had any coach in the country (world?), but is staying with the guy that brought him to the dance.

douglas burke wrote:

Sub-9 guy wrote:

Normally I would agree with you, but he’s no ordinary talent. Has medal and AR potential at least. He may very well be the first US dude to get under 3:30 for 1500 if Hocker doesn’t beat him too it. This year even.

Lagat has gone under 3:30 7 times with 4 times as an American, including his AR of 3:27.4 and Maree ran 3:29.77,

Hopefully Hocker and Kessler can make it #3 and 4 soon

Thank you. You’re right. Of course I am cynical. US born, non-doped. But, then again, the shoes are doping, so…

Sub-9 guy wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Lagat has gone under 3:30 7 times with 4 times as an American, including his AR of 3:27.4 and Maree ran 3:29.77,

Hopefully Hocker and Kessler can make it #3 and 4 soon

Thank you. You’re right. Of course I am cynical. US born, non-doped. But, then again, the shoes are doping, so…

Just can’t believe Lagat’s 3:26. Also, to the guy not wanting to get carried away about conversions, Webb never broke 3:30 but went sub-3:47 for the mile.

another perspective wrote:

Would be nice to know recovery on these reps. Like you can't say something is a monster workout unless you know recovery. A 39 second 300 is nothing without context, like top middle distance women could hit 39-40 if they had enough recovery, but hitting 39s off of 2min recovery is hard for even world class dudes.

If you want to be pedantic about it then, yeah, sure, whatever. The kid is a superstar young runner with top-notch coaching. He's not out the pretending by being a workout hero (and I'm sure he doesn't care if anyone else thinks this is a good workout or not).

Shirley the recovery is appropriate.