Master Of Lolly wrote:
US runners are crazy about mileage.
30-40 miles / week is plenty for a serious 1500m runner.
Wait I thought the whole problem was US runners don't run enough mileage.
If you think we suck now, we really sucked in the 90s when low mileage was in fashion.
Polish Fernandez wrote:
Master Of Lolly wrote:
US runners are crazy about mileage.
30-40 miles / week is plenty for a serious 1500m runner.
Wait I thought the whole problem was US runners don't run enough mileage.
If you think we suck now, we really sucked in the 90s when low mileage was in fashion.
Well just imagine how good you'd be if you'd up it to 300 miles / week!
When running as much weekly mileage as he does, I can't imagine any benefit of running any longer long runs. General mileage trumphs. By all means, do longer long runs if you like it but Jakob doesn't, therefor he doesn't do them.
Makes sense he does a shorter long run, he's getting 20+ miles on a threshold day no need for a 2 hour long run
long runs over rated wrote:
Sounds about right. It blows my mind that anyone runs longer than say 90 minutes unless training for a marathon.
True, anything over 90 minutes is for glycogen depletion adaptation. You’re not depleting your glycogen in a 1500/5k.
Anyways we tend to over emphasize the “long run.” It’s about training with specificity to your event. Overall volume and intensity is what matters. Not a single arbitrary concept as the weekly “long run.”
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
8u]90ipn'lm wrote:
Standard for a middle distance runner.
Actually for a 1500/5000 guy this is not really standard. In the US, a lot of them run 1:30-1:45 long runs.
Maybe it should be the standard, then.
evaxuation wrote:
their LT-type sessions are a more than useful substitute for a really long run run (30km)
This comment hits the nail on the head. Long runs serve the purpose of anaerobic conditioning (once glycogen is depleted, since fat is burned without oxygen). This can also be covered by threshold intervals, especially the 5x6 minute they do in the mornings. You need anaerobic conditioning in a successful training program. However, you don't necessarily need to get it one particular way. The Ingebrigtsens can get away with no long run because they do 30-40k worth of threshold running every week. However, if you only get maybe 10k worth of threshold running per week (like many American runners and someone like Nick Willis) then you will benefit a lot more from a 2-hour long run which will include ~15k worth of anaerobic conditioning.
not a regular visitor anymore wrote:
If he's running 100 miles a week without a run longer than 13 miles then he must be running all the damn time. Pretty boring.
It's almost like it's his job or something.
so if you are a high school kid running 50 to 60 mph, would you do something like 10-12 miles of threshold per week, with maybe a couple of 1 hour runs?
Master Of Lolly wrote:
Ingebrigtsen is also an aspiring 5000m and 10k XC specialist, therefore high mileage.
I doubt that Makhloufi was running 180km a week. And Makhloufi in his prime > Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
Dang I forgot about mak, he definitely could have steamrolled Jakob in his prime..
If you're a high school kid running 50-60 mph, you should definitely enter the 100m rather than distance races as you will obliterate the world record with a time of 3.73 seconds.
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
He never runs more than 21 km or 13 miles.
In 60-70 minutes?
thebullsreturn wrote:
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
He never runs more than 21 km or 13 miles.
In 60-70 minutes?
Yes, Jakob runs 20 km in about 70 minutes once a week. In a interview last year he said he has never run more than 20 km ever.
The guys an idiot. If he went into football he will be making 100x more money and not grinding all day every day.
He is not necessarily talented.
Yes I reckon they do their long run not so much as long run because it gives them an afternoon off once a week which is probably psychologically nice
physiology 101 wrote:
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Long runs serve the purpose of anaerobic conditioning (once glycogen is depleted, since fat is burned without oxygen).
No long runs don't serve the purpose of anaerobic conditioning. Fat is not burned without oxyen.
Nick Willis ran longer than that, he has more global medals than Jakob and wasn't as big of a young talent. I guarantee Kipchoge/Bekele/Farah you name it who were world champions at 5k all ran more than that.
I could agree that for 800 meters and maybe even 1500 meters you don't need more than 13 miles, but if you want to be the best 5k-10k version of yourself you should build up to more than a 13 mile long run. I'd say 15-18 is good for 5k/10k... Half marathon more like 20 mile long runs for the peak, and marathon more than 20 miles for the peak.
any discussion about yakob's training is damn hilarious.
typical letsrunner just hears a guy does a lot of volume and no speedwork, and then starts projecting their hobbyjogger marathon plans onto him.
then every time there's a more in depth discussion on what he's doing it's like WTF he walks up hills, runs lots of volume on a treadmill, doesn't do long runs, lifts weights??? he MUST be leaving so much potential on the table.
because he's not training like me
You can't imagine any benefit of longer long runs but there is a substantial increase of both mitochondrial and capillary (density and function) development for runs of 90 minutes or longer.