He never runs more than 21 km or 13 miles.
He never runs more than 21 km or 13 miles.
Sounds about right. It blows my mind that anyone runs longer than say 90 minutes unless training for a marathon.
Not strange at all. He is running 180 km/w and doing 4 LT sessions and a session of hill repeats during a base week. There simply isn´t room for a long run if he wants to recover from the hard sessions.
Standard for a middle distance runner.
well,, wrote:
Not strange at all. He is running 180 km/w and doing 4 LT sessions and a session of hill repeats during a base week. There simply isn´t room for a long run if he wants to recover from the hard sessions.
2 of those "LT sessions" are run at Marathon pace, which is a bit slower than LT pace tbh.
8u]90ipn'lm wrote:
Standard for a middle distance runner.
Actually for a 1500/5000 guy this is not really standard. In the US, a lot of them run 1:30-1:45 long runs.
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
8u]90ipn'lm wrote:
Standard for a middle distance runner.
Actually for a 1500/5000 guy this is not really standard. In the US, a lot of them run 1:30-1:45 long runs.
Yup. People seems to forget he's also a 12:48 guy.
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
He never runs more than 21 km or 13 miles.
Are you sure? Emil Zatopek was the first documented 100 mile per week plus workouts guy. That's been the standard for 5000m to Marathon guys. Jakob Ingebrigtsen is not a gifted guy who was sprinting 200m & 400m as a (15 to 17) year old teenager, 21.xx & 46.xx. J. Ingebrigtsen is an endurance monster. I doubt your 21km or 13 mile statement.
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
8u]90ipn'lm wrote:
Standard for a middle distance runner.
Actually for a 1500/5000 guy this is not really standard. In the US, a lot of them run 1:30-1:45 long runs.
Maybe thats why they're not doing very well?
US runners are crazy about mileage.
30-40 miles / week is plenty for a serious 1500m runner.
Yep. Other than just getting in mileage, what is the point of a 1500/5000m runner going out for 25-30km runs? I have to imagine that the fatigue outweighs the aerobic benefits of doing doubling for the same mileage. I understand that these runs (and longer) are useful for half marathoners/marathoners to become more efficient as it's specific training, but that's not applicable to 1500-5000m racing. Curious to hear why
Same as Rongai group (Tim Cheruiyot et al). The top guys run often and a lot of aerobic quality but 90 min sessions aren’t necessary in their estimation. Can’t argue with the results…
HobbyJOGKO wrote:
well,, wrote:
Not strange at all. He is running 180 km/w and doing 4 LT sessions and a session of hill repeats during a base week. There simply isn´t room for a long run if he wants to recover from the hard sessions.
2 of those "LT sessions" are run at Marathon pace, which is a bit slower than LT pace tbh.
I never said anything about LT pace. LT can be trained at a variety of paces.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Same as Rongai group (Tim Cheruiyot et al). The top guys run often and a lot of aerobic quality but 90 min sessions aren’t necessary in their estimation. Can’t argue with the results…
Jakob Ingebrigtsen is not a gifted 1:43.xx 800m man as is Timothy Cheruiyot. I know there are lower mileage 800m/1500m guys. Either Jacob Ingebrigtsen logs more miles than posters on this thread are stating or J. Ingebrigtsen is not clean.
Master Of Lolly wrote:
US runners are crazy about mileage.
30-40 miles / week is plenty for a serious 1500m runner.
Ingebrigtsen seems to think otherwise, since he is doing 180 km weeks.
Master Of Lolly wrote:
US runners are crazy about mileage.
30-40 miles / week is plenty for a serious 1500m runner.
He runs 110 miles per week. He just does it with high volume threshold workouts and double runs of 10k every day. Nick Willis is also an example of a very good middle distance runner who runs less mileage (in his prime, 80-90) but long runs 2 hours (17-18 miles) every week. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, but 30-40 miles per week is not one of them.
If he's running 100 miles a week without a run longer than 13 miles then he must be running all the damn time. Pretty boring.
Ingebrigtsen is also an aspiring 5000m and 10k XC specialist, therefore high mileage.
I doubt that Makhloufi was running 180km a week. And Makhloufi in his prime > Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
180km averages about 13km per session (14 sessions, 2 x per day, per week).
There is little point in running longer than 20-21km (13M) for their long run, since they don't race more than 10km. their LT-type sessions are a more than useful substitute for a really long run run (30km), which would likely impact other sessions anyway. These Tue/Thu sessions amount to about 16km (10M) each, with two per day, so they are covering 32km(20M) with warmup/cooldown included (3km/2M?) on these days, if not more.
600yd/600m man wrote:
Jakob Ingebrigtsen is not a gifted 1:43.xx 800m man as is Timothy Cheruiyot. I know there are lower mileage 800m/1500m guys. Either Jacob Ingebrigtsen logs more miles than posters on this thread are stating or J. Ingebrigtsen is not clean.
Nope as others are saying he logs more runs.