OozmaKappa wrote:
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Ok, so Kiplimo has some meaningless titles and you think that that is above winning a friggin gold medal at the Olympics????
Yes. The gold medal is overrated. Kiplimo's HM WR is more impressive than anything Yakob has accomplished so far, by a substantial margin. And Kiplimo has WC and Olympic medals too.
Lol. Yes, and Gressiers 13th place finish is better than Jakob too! C'mon, you can do better.
OozmaKappa wrote:
The 3000m top 10 list being full of long distance runners doesnt disprove my point, it actually backs it.
My point is not that Kiplimo sucks at the 3000, my point is that he's BETTER at nearly everything else he does or at least should have more potential in everything else. The same is true for all those long distance runners who are in the 3000m top 10. Theyre great 3k runners, but they were even better at nearly everything else.
Compare that to a miler. If youre a miler, the 3k should be your second best, or maybe even your best event outright (though you might care about it less than the 5k). Thats just not the case if youre a long distance runner though.
I do agree here. Kiplimo sucks. Yes, at 1500, 3000, 5000, 10000. Only place where he can win in is in a distance in which no quality runner competes. A good half marathon time would be 56 high.
Fact of the matter is that Kiplimo was destroyed by a bunch of B-runners in the Olympic 5000 final, the same runners that Jakob destroyed a month before that. Should be clear how well Kiplimo would do against Jakob. Jakob has only gotten faster since 2020. Kiplimo has not. He's plateaued.
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OozmaKappa wrote:
Yes. The gold medal is overrated. Kiplimo's HM WR is more impressive than anything Yakob has accomplished so far, by a substantial margin. And Kiplimo has WC and Olympic medals too.
Lol. Yes, and Gressiers 13th place finish is better than Jakob too! C'mon, you can do better.
..Gre-who? Literally who is that?
Exactly what I'm trying to get at. Kipla-who?
Kiplimoo will never get a gold medal and not even get close to a world record that matters.
Kiplamoo also is slower than a woman in the 1500. Good lord. And this is your hero??
OozmaKappa wrote:
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Ok, so Kiplimo has some meaningless titles and you think that that is above winning a friggin gold medal at the Olympics????
Yes. The gold medal is overrated. Kiplimo's HM WR is more impressive than anything Yakob has accomplished so far, by a substantial margin. And Kiplimo has WC and Olympic medals too.
His name is Yeychupp, OK?
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Exactly what I'm trying to get at. Kipla-who?
Kiplimoo will never get a gold medal and not even get close to a world record that matters.
Kiplamoo also is slower than a woman in the 1500. Good lord. And this is your hero??
What an unbelievable stupid comment.
the fact you brought up josh kerr just proves the other posters point
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Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.
I know you’re probably trolling but just in case you aren’t…
Jacob is a world champion and a world record holder, which compares favorably to an Oly gold for Jakob. He also beat Jakob in their one head to head race. Their PRs at the in-between distances from their specialties (3k and 5k) are nearly identical, with Jacob having the slight edge. Both won their 12:48 race in dominant fashion against a strong field, so arguing that Jakob “could” have run faster is a moot point (the same could be said about Jacob).
They are clearly the top two talents of their generation, but the truth is if you really want to get down to it, there is no good argument that Jakob is better than Jacob. Not to mention, Jacob has had to content for world and Olympic titles with the 5k/10k WR holder, the former half marathon WR holder (before he himself broke it), and the U20 5k WR holder. Meanwhile, Jakob only has to beat Tim Cheruiyot, a great runner but not an all-time great like Chep, plus a few 3:29-3:30 runners with nothing else special about them.
I follow you, but using their first names was not the way.
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OozmaKappa wrote:
The 3000m top 10 list being full of long distance runners doesnt disprove my point, it actually backs it.
My point is not that Kiplimo sucks at the 3000, my point is that he's BETTER at nearly everything else he does or at least should have more potential in everything else. The same is true for all those long distance runners who are in the 3000m top 10. Theyre great 3k runners, but they were even better at nearly everything else.
Compare that to a miler. If youre a miler, the 3k should be your second best, or maybe even your best event outright (though you might care about it less than the 5k). Thats just not the case if youre a long distance runner though.
I do agree here. Kiplimo sucks. Yes, at 1500, 3000, 5000, 10000. Only place where he can win in is in a distance in which no quality runner competes. A good half marathon time would be 56 high.
Fact of the matter is that Kiplimo was destroyed by a bunch of B-runners in the Olympic 5000 final, the same runners that Jakob destroyed a month before that. Should be clear how well Kiplimo would do against Jakob. Jakob has only gotten faster since 2020. Kiplimo has not. He's plateaued.
Kiplimo ran 26:33 / 57:31 and got an Olympic Bronze in 2021…. Saying he plateaued / hasn’t gotten faster since 2020 is just false. If he sucks at 3000/5000 then Jakob is also garbage at those events….
DanielSkindera wrote:
the fact you brought up josh kerr just proves the other posters point
Lol ikr. I had just got done talking about how long distance events have some top heavy competition right now because the world record holders are active and improving their records, then this guy brings up Kerr and Gressier.
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I do agree here. Kiplimo sucks. Yes, at 1500, 3000, 5000, 10000. Only place where he can win in is in a distance in which no quality runner competes. A good half marathon time would be 56 high.
Kiplimo's HM wr is worth 1299pts on the IAAF scoring tables.
That score is equivalent to a 3:26.26 in the 1500m.
A 56:59 in the HM is worth 1322pts.
That score is equivalent to a 3:24.68 in the 1500m.
Ingebrigtsen's 1500m pr is 3:28.32.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Regarding the 3000m being Kiplimo'a worst event, I say that because between the 5k, 10k, 15k, Half, Marathon, and the 3k
the 3k is where he should be the least competitive given that his strongest distance is somewhere around the length of a half marathon. However good his range is (and it is great) you would expect his next best events to be the marathon and 10,000. Then from there, theres no reason why hed be stronger in the 3000 over the 5000, and certainly not over any distance longer than 5000.
speaking of the 5000, there’s not a chance in hell jakob doesn’t medal in that race, if not win. kiplimo came in what 5th
For anyone wondering, Oozma has now called Jakob fat 16 times.
The weirdest part (other than sitting in your basement and railing on a 20-year old) is that Jakob isn’t the least bit overweight. What’s your fixation on fat shaming a skinny person?
Kiplimo is a great runner at distances from 3k to half marathon and world medal in track and xc, but to argue for his greatness should not cloud one's vision so much as to ignore that Ingebrigtsen crushed Hagos and the 5000m/10000m world record holder in that 12:48 win.
I dont even remember who won the London Marathon, but what youre doing is the equivalent of gassing those guys up for beating Kipchoge. Yeah, Kipchoge lost, but that's not the same Kipchoge that broke the wr.
By the same token, yeah that was a good 12:48 by Ingrbrigtsen, but you cant just add "beat WR holder Joshua Cheptegei" to the resume when the Cheptegei that showed up that day ran a 12:54.
OozmaKappa wrote:
DanielSkindera wrote:
the fact you brought up josh kerr just proves the other posters point
Lol ikr. I had just got done talking about how long distance events have some top heavy competition right now because the world record holders are active and improving their records, then this guy brings up Kerr and Gressier.
Gressier is not yet in that same league but uh, now you're putting down Kerr? The guy that was more impressive in Tokyo than Kiplimo? I'm assuming you're that same damielskandera poster pretending to be a different person?
Not that it matters because Olympic performances arent as impirtant in the grand scheme of things as many people insist, but I have to ask
How is Kerr's 3rd place finish better than Kiplimo's 3rd and 5th?
DamielskaWHO?
With that out of the way, you completely missed the point. The point is that there is no Bekele, Geb, El G, Kipchoge, Rudisha or Cheptegei in the 1500m right now. I dont care how big a fan you are, Kerr is not close to that level. There is no one running anywhere close to 3:26 right now. Not a single person. Certainly not Kerr. Thats not putting him down, that's just facts.
Winning by .6 is crushing. Ok….and Hagos was what 4th at the 10k at Ethiopian Trials a couple days before. It was a nice win and Jakob moved methodically through the field, but it wasn’t some unbelievable performance.
THere have been a few men to run 3:26-3:27, and pretty sure we all know what the secret is/was.