Will there be any NFL games this weekend? 4% of players have tested positive in 2 days. What does this mean for all other sports

chogun wrote:

[quote]carmine9 wrote:

Assuming omicron is as harmless as it seems so far, best thing would be to let this rip, creating her immunity quickly.

Pandemic over.

Big Pharma not happy

Clearly its not harmless.

Huh? It sure seems to be

-Who are "you people?" Considering blacks have some of the lowest vaccine uptake rates, are you perhaps being a little racist?

man I remember when the letsrun trolls were so much more subtle...you people have really let yourself go

We don't know yet if it's harmless. There have been few severe outcomes, it's true. But it has, so far, been primarily infecting young populations, as in South Africa. And even if it is mild, as seems quite possible, it is so transmissible, with such a short incubation period, that it could still cause serious problems through the sheer number of people who get it. This is a very sensible and smart way to look at what is about to happen here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/12/america-omicron-variant-surge-booster/621027/

One key bit: "As a crude shorthand, assume that Omicron negates one previous immunizing event—either an infection or a vaccine dose. Someone who considered themselves fully vaccinated in September would be just partially vaccinated now. But someone who’s been boosted has the same ballpark level of protection against Omicron infection as a vaccinated-but-unboosted person did against Delta. The extra dose not only raises a recipient’s level of antibodies but also broadens their range, giving them better odds of recognizing the shape of even Omicron’s altered spike."

nxthompson wrote:

One key bit: "As a crude shorthand, assume that Omicron negates one previous immunizing event—either an infection or a vaccine dose. Someone who considered themselves fully vaccinated in September would be just partially vaccinated now. But someone who’s been boosted has the same ballpark level of protection against Omicron infection as a vaccinated-but-unboosted person did against Delta. The extra dose not only raises a recipient’s level of antibodies but also broadens their range, giving them better odds of recognizing the shape of even Omicron’s altered spike."

People fully vaccinated are having loads of breakthrough infections with delta. I was one of them.

joed|rt wrote:

Will the Premier League follow suit?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/brentford/story/4549300/premier-leagues-covid-19-concern-brentford-boss-thomas-frank-wants-all-matches-postponed

They just postponed Manchester United versus Brighton as well. Almost 75% of cases in London are now Omicron variant. New York and New Jersey are about 15%.

joed|rtt wrote:

joed|rt wrote:

Will the Premier League follow suit?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/brentford/story/4549300/premier-leagues-covid-19-concern-brentford-boss-thomas-frank-wants-all-matches-postponed

They just postponed Manchester United versus Brighton as well. Almost 75% of cases in London are now Omicron variant. New York and New Jersey are about 15%.

Apparently the WFT has 21 players on the COVID list, with 11 being possible starters. Their game with the Eagles could be ugly.

bladerunner wrote:

The fact that not a single NFL player has been hospitalized due to covid tells you all you need to know. The fact that a golfer (Jon Rohn) tested positive for covid and then won the U.S. open the following week shows that healthy people under 70 have nothing to worry about.

Here is a single player

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Theyll probably just play the games one way or another. Practice squad players can suit up. This proves the vaccines are a joke since 97% of the league is vaccinated. Now the reason the NFL wanted to incentivize most players to get vaccinated is because it is quality PR material. Public relations are vital to the nfl. They didn't want to risk people tuning out due to politics.

The games being played are also an imperative component. They don't really care about covid on a deeper level as they know it's not a real threat, none of the players have died or will die despite obesity being an inevitable issue. The league is a businesss first and foremost.

Once again STEVE is shown to be a genius:

If we are to “follow the science” has anybody seen any data to show that a vaccinated person, once infected, is any less contagious than an unvaccinated person? Why would they essentially let a vaccinated person, whom is positive with Covid, return to play simply because they do not exhibit symptoms? Yet an unvaccinated person, with the exact same scenario, has to sit out a minimum of 10 days.

They have a cold. NFL is adjusting as there is zero chance they are letting this affect the playoffs. People are allowed to get colds

Rojo, why are you letting people post patently false vaccine info on here all the time? is letsrun that desperate for money now that it needs all these hot button topics to get clicks?

stats do not lie wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

The fact that not a single NFL player has been hospitalized due to covid tells you all you need to know. The fact that a golfer (Jon Rohn) tested positive for covid and then won the U.S. open the following week shows that healthy people under 70 have nothing to worry about.

Here is a single player

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/vikings-ol-dakota-dozier-released-from-hospital-following-bout-with-covid-19

The Vikings player was fully vaxxed. Early in the pandemic a Jacksonville player was hospitalized before vaccines were available. Both guys are still playing.

What does it mean if they shut down the NFL because 4% of the players caught a virus that poses practically no risk to the players?

It means what everyone paying attention has known for almost two years: that this virus isn't often dangerous -- except for people who are very old, very unhealthy or some combination of the two. This is especially true for the new variant that is being marketed. What else does it mean? It means that the folks in government, media, and big tech, who are exploiting the situation to grab power and wealth are using the bizarre practice of testing people who aren't sick as a reason to arbitrarily shut things down. None of it pencils out in a cost-benefit sense. None of it ever did. They've been expanding testing all over California recently in an effort to get the numbers (the irrelevant numbers of people who aren't sick, but still test positive) up so that they can further corrupt whatever is left of the democratic systems and rule by edict as they've been doing for almost two years. They're doing this with tax money as well. We're literally paying to coerce people into providing the irrelevant data that is in turn being used to persecute us -- all in the name of our safety. It is truly bonkers. Best course of action if you live in a place like CA, NY, Germany, the UK, New Zealand, Australia or anywhere else where the government is packed with elitist cronies: do not participate. No tests. No compliance with mandates from unelected bureaucrats or 'scientists' with ties to the pharmaceutical companies.

And of course this thing flies past the 'vaccinations' er, gene therapies. The other variants were already flying past because the RNA gene therapies were leaky as hell. Part of that was because they aren't vaccinations by any normal definition of the word. The CDC had to change their definition of the word vaccine in order to apply it to this new group of products. And they're pushing this crap knowing it is leaky. They're pushing it knowing that they have no clue what the side-effects are after the first eight months (actually they have some idea -- the technology has been around since the early 90s and has never been safe enough to market. Would it even be marketed now if Congress didn't give the manufacturers blanket immunity from litigation?) They're even pushing it without any serious effort to pursue other lower risk treatments. This certainly isn't about health or safety in the NFL. And it isn't about safety outside of the NFL.

carmine9 wrote:

Assuming omicron is as harmless as it seems so far, best thing would be to let this rip, creating her immunity quickly.

Pandemic over.

Big Pharma not happy

This is exactly what should have been done from the beginning -- with whatever safeguards one could offer to the old set and sickest 10% of the population. The cost of locking everyone down for months at a time could have easily paid for real protections for those at higher risk while everyone else built durable immunity so that those in danger could emerge sometime later with less risk. The message should have been 'be careful about visiting granny until you've had covid'. Instead it was 'granny died because we shipped covid patients directly into her nursing home. No matter, go inject yourself and your kids with gene therapy that will increase your chances of survival by some completely trivial amount and has been studied for all of eight months..." Don't worry, if it backfires you'll have no legal recourse. Oh and your are financially screwed because we just doubled the money supply.

This was never about harm reduction. It was all about power and politics and stealing massive amounts of wealth from the 99.9%.

Sad to see so many people (and especially the 'educated') fall for it.

There's over 150 players on NFL rosters on the COVID list this week:

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/covid-19-list-tracker-for-players-nfl-policies/

That's almost 9% of the league (most of whom are fully vaccinated). Assuming the NFL is a microcosm of society, that would indicate that Omicron is already circulating on a broad scale throughout the US, and the vaccines are doing almost nothing to stop it.

What this also tells us is that there is going to be a dramatic increase in reported COVID hospitalizations and deaths, but not because COVID is killing people, but because people who would otherwise be going to the hospital or dying will test positive for COVID when they are admitted to the hospital or when they die. 5% of Cornell tested poisitive in the past week, 9% of the NFL tested positive in the past week or two. Almost all of which were likely asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (because both entities are doing surveillance testing). Likewise, every person that is admitted to the hospital (regardless of what they are hospitalized for) are given a COVID test (so that the hospital is not producing hospital acquired infections). Omicron may not even contribute to many of these individual's demise, but it will still be listed in hospitalization and death counts, creating an inflated sense of COVID's impact.

You get it, joed. Not many do, but more are catching on every day. This is not something new but has been going on since March 2020. The data surrounding so-called Covid "deaths", "cases", and the use of the PCR test to diagnose same and ratchet up unwarranted and unnecessary fear among healthy populations constitutes the single biggest episode of gas-lighting in world history. For 26 years, I directed a unit that reported healthcare statistics so I know bad data, bad assumptions, bad recommendations, and bad conclusions when I see them. The world is being played. Most of the vaxxed population has yet to realize they are taking part in the biggest medical experiment/test case the world has ever seen.

Interesting stats on hospitalizations:

There are about 920,000 hospital beds in the US. On an average day, about 2/3 of those are in use, even before COVID.

In the early 1970s, there were about 1.5 million hospital beds in the US (in spite of the fact that there were 130 million fewer people), and about 1.2 million of them were in use on a given day.

So, in spite of the fact that the population has increased by about 62%, hospitalizations have declined by 50% (on a per capita basis people are more than 3 times less likely to be hospitalized than in the 1970s).

If the community infection rate with Omicron is 5%, then about 30,600 of "COVID" hospitalizations would just be people who would otherwise be hospitalized that happen to be COVID positive (currently, 68,886 COVID inpatient beds are occupied, so 44% of "COVID" hospitalizations are just people who would likely be hospitalized anyhow that happen to be COVID positive).

I kind of agree with Carmine9. New studies coming out are showing people who are fully vaxxed AND get exposed to a breakthrough natural infection come out of it acquiring 'super immunity'. This is great news as the immune system will then be able to protect you from any future variants that arise by a factor of up to 1,000% over just getting the jab or natural immunity alone. Plus being fully vaxxed and/or boosted then getting a natural infection will likely only give you very mild or asymptomatic issues no worse than a cold.

https://katu.com/news/local/ohsu-study-finds-breakthrough-cases-provide-super-immunity

stats do not lie wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

The fact that not a single NFL player has been hospitalized due to covid tells you all you need to know. The fact that a golfer (Jon Rohn) tested positive for covid and then won the U.S. open the following week shows that healthy people under 70 have nothing to worry about.

Here is a single player

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/vikings-ol-dakota-dozier-released-from-hospital-following-bout-with-covid-19

And another... and another... either bladerunner likes to spread lies or likes to believe them. That being said, he has a point (except "nothing to worry about" is a little naive). As for the OP, you don't even need 50% of the players to play a full game, so just more sensationalist drama. Next man up.