NAZ “Elite” - the Boston Massacre

Maybe Rory needs to move up to ultra running.

Bozangelas Montuckey wrote:

Maybe Rory needs to move up to ultra running.

No. Rory has wheels, he has run a really fast half marathon. I think he would find more success in the 15k-25k range of road races. I think this is the 3rd marathon where he didn't quite meet expectations. I think he might concede after this that he isn't a marathoner.

Their shoes are inferior due to outdated foam.

I’m not saying that is the only factor, but it is the reality.

I posted on their workout video that they're doing too many workouts on Lake Mary road.

should be studying 102 wrote:

Ben Rosario seems like a really nice guy, I've heard great things about him. But DANG something is going on in Flagstaff. I don't get what is up with these social media guys, you would think that they can gauge their fitness, if you know that a training cycle has been sub par, why would you generate so much hype for yourself before the race?

Fauble talked about winning the race in the pre-race interview. What the heck? If I knew I was in less than amazing shape I wouldn't dare utter the "W word".

I think Fauble is done. I think he had the race of his life in 2019 Boston, and I think he used that performance to extrapolate his future progression into a world beater, but that hasn't panned out. I think when he struggled at the Oly Trials that mentally broke him.

Funny how you guys leave out NAZ's Aliphine winning the OT's

Pletan wrote:

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Kohnen also bombed today. She was much better before she came to Flagstaff, while working. That's damning. Rosario has gotten the recipe wrong a couple times in a row now.

Was she racing in Hokas before her move to NAZ? I wonder how Fauble would race in the vaporfly.

I would assume no. You need to be paid to race in Hokas.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

And Steph Bruce 6th, with Kellyn Taylor 8th. 3 women in the top 8 seems quite successful.

How did she do at the Olympics?

It is surprising nobody has brought up the Hanson's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day in Chicago yesterday.

Couldn't disagree more with the premise of this. It really wasn't a good day for running. 60s, getting close to 70, clouds but humidity, and a headwind. Griffey went out in 1:16 with a 2:29 or 30 (?) pb. Their men went out in 1:06 with the main pack & more/less came back in something similar enough. That front half was probably run more/less at pb effort for them. Boston is a course you might expect a slight positive split on. When you have enough fast guys someone throws it down & still has legs the last 8k & ends up negative splitting ftw. When the leaders moved, they couldn't match it. Deeper field than in 2019 imo.

* stipe wrote:

Their shoes are inferior due to outdated foam.

I’m not saying that is the only factor, but it is the reality.

It is amazing given what we know now that they still insist their shoes are just as good as their competitors when it couldn't be farther from the truth. Certainly not why they had a bad performance today, but you gotta wonder if they have VF/AF or adios if they're a minute or two better...

I agree.

But I've got a few thoughts regarding NAZ Elite and obviously only they know what is really going on...but just a few thoughts.

1. They are kind of a chaotic group. I feel like at the level they are at they should be specializing -- whether it's a marathon group, or track group, etc. They've got guys who don't run the marathon and ladies who don't run the marathon, but yet, they've got some who are specifically marathoners. It just seems like an odd collection to me, that don't really fit well together.

2. I think they misuse the altitude. A professional group should be doing what Wejo did back in the day and making sure workouts were down low and all else was up high. They use Lake Mary Road way too much and don't take advantage of being a 'pro' team and going down low for all harder sessions. Use some of that Hoka money and buy a van...get the team down low for their workouts.

3. I agree with what someone said about Fauble. He doesn't seem like a guy who is enjoying this at all. He doesn't seem happy. Maybe he is, who knows, but if he's not, he certainly won't run well.

4. What do they do when these older ladies who have carried them are done? Steph, Kellyn, and Aliphine aren't on the front-end of their careers...and these guys haven't really cut it aside from a good performance here and there. They signed T-Day, Hauger, Linkletter, and Baxter. Those guys have either been hurt most of their time, or have under-performed. They need to go back to the drawing board when spots start to open up because they've done a poor job filling in.

Just my thoughts...but I think they need to hit the reset button and start fresh.

Their performance honestly isn't surprising at all. They ran to their ability which is quite mediocre, but it is what it is I suppose. The group clings to Scott's 2019 Boston performance and Aliphine's Olympic Trials win, but other than that, the group as a whole puts up very mediocre results very consistently. I think they do a good job of broadcasting the sport instead of hiding like Rupp, but at the end of the day, they are fake elite runners like the Tinman Elite.

I would be pretty embarrassed to be Scott Fauble and get beaten by Marty Hehir (a medical student and now resident) TWICE. I mean, you dedicate your life to the sport and get beat at the trials and marathon project by someone that does this as a hobby....at what point do you stop pretending?

BumAchillesGuy___ wrote:

Their performance honestly isn't surprising at all. They ran to their ability which is quite mediocre, but it is what it is I suppose. The group clings to Scott's 2019 Boston performance and Aliphine's Olympic Trials win, but other than that, the group as a whole puts up very mediocre results very consistently. I think they do a good job of broadcasting the sport instead of hiding like Rupp, but at the end of the day, they are fake elite runners like the Tinman Elite.

I would be pretty embarrassed to be Scott Fauble and get beaten by Marty Hehir (a medical student and now resident) TWICE. I mean, you dedicate your life to the sport and get beat at the trials and marathon project by someone that does this as a hobby....at what point do you stop pretending?

Hehir was briefly a member of NAZ Elite when he was given a one year deferment by Jefferson Medical School. He would screw with Fauble by being ultra-positive and chipper around him.

That's hilarious, never knew he was with NAZ Elite lol

holterskolter2 wrote:

It is like being the 200th best 3rd baseman in the world. The 200th best 3rd baseman isn't going to make an MLB major league team. So they can try to go to another country to make their major league team, or they can play in the minors here.

Either way, they're looking at a living wage, maybe about what an average non-stem college grad makes straight out of college, in the 50k range. It is "pro." Elite can be reasonably argued is a term that applies, but some people might hear "elite" and think it means a higher level, along the lines of contending for wins at major meets.

This isn’t the point of this thread, but I’ve gotta correct a misconception here: most minor league baseball players don’t make a living wage. Those who didn’t receive substantial signing bonuses are paid immorally low wages. You can read about it here:

#unionizetheminors

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Are these guys doing any serious heat training? It seems like a lot of runners coming down from dry altitude locations have underperformed in humid conditions this fall.

Also, come on, they obviously aren't going to openly say they need better shoes.