Schumacher passionately defends S. Houlihan says we just are witnessing the execution of "someone’s athletic life and dreams"

hmmmm mmmm wrote:

why have you decided to take this approach with Shelby's ban, in stark contrast to your long history of witch hunting, rumor mongering and encouraging unsubstantiated accusations and and then dancing a little gig with every failed test?

who knows ...maybe she innocent?......but maybe some of the people you've thrown under the bus previously were innocent too......why the change of approach in this instance?

Were this to happen to a Salazar athlete, rojo would be jumping for joy. Now that a Schumacher athlete has tested positive it’s “we just don’t know for sure folks.” Rojo did the same thing when Jager’s name appeared on the Fancy Bear’s leak some years ago.

Dieters toothbrush wrote:

Jerry lost me as soon as he said he had never heard of nandrolone.

Never heard of the substance in one of THE most notorious doping busts in running history??

Dieter the Cheater??

Dieter Baumann claimed his nandrolone was from spiked toothpaste. This happened in the 1990s, when Schumacher was an athlete.

I find it impossible to believe someone of even average intelligence who is a professional running coach has not heard of nandrolone.

That makes it difficult for me to believe whatever else he has to say.

This. It just makes Schumacher sound like an idiot.

Cry me a river.

Long on invective, short on facts.

He is showing himself to be part of the problem.

Get lost, hack.

there's a lot more to the story that they are hiding. 4 years for a first time offense is uncommon. There's a reason her case was treated differently than Ajee Wilson and others.

rocket ship wrote:

there's a lot more to the story that they are hiding. 4 years for a first time offense is uncommon. There's a reason her case was treated differently than Ajee Wilson and others.

Yep. They're doing damage control efforts now. Typical.

When has a doper ever admitted it, even when caught? Always, the excuses and protestations of innocence. Lying goes hand in hand with cheating.

Armstronglivs wrote:

When has a doper ever admitted it, even when caught? Always, the excuses and protestations of innocence. Lying goes hand in hand with cheating.

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Yep—only it was SHE who executed them.

Doping control is more concerned with protecting its existence and jobs than the truth that meat is contaminated or not contaminated but rather is legally doped and they know this and have known for decades.

Officialdb wrote:

Why didn't they just go back and test the taco meat? Seems super simple. Maybe they did and they found no drugs?

Id be curious for the answer to this

Apologies if I missed it, but: Did we ever get confirmation that Houlihan actually ate a pork burrito?

In their prepared statements, all three of Houlihan/Schumacher/lawyer were careful to say that she "ate a burrito from a cart that served pig offal", not that she ate a pork burrito.

The lawyer also described this as a situation of "environmental contamination". Flanagan's prepared statement said Houlihan ate a "meat burrito". All of these read like they're being very carefully lawyered to suggest the burrito was pork, but not state it. If you tested positive because of pork, say that you ate pork!

Why does this potentially matter? If the burrito wasn't pork - let's say it was chicken - and their argument to CAS was cross-contamination via bad food prep or something...well, that might also give some information about how likely their explanation is to explain the levels found in Houlihan's test.

On the other hand, both ESPN and Letsrun in their article writeups have run with the term "pork burrito", so maybe I missed something on my end.

No..We are witnessing the suicide of someone's athletic career do to greed and ego...

wistfully124 wrote:

hmmmm mmmm wrote:

Rojo on Regina Jacobs:' I just KNEW she was doping ..even before any proof'

Rojo on C. Semenya: 'She's RUINING the sport!!"

Rojo on J. Gaitlin: 'I will hound you for the REST OF YOUR DAYS!"

Rojo on Shelby Houlihan: 'rememeber.....She's a person with HOPES and DREAMS!'

things that make you go hmmmmmmm

Yes, Rojo like most white people has a clear racial bias for his race. He inherently gives them the benefit of the doubt, but immediately condemns minorities. Sadly, most white cops are like this as well.

So he cast doubt on a few blacks? Clear racial bias? K genius, so then why does he continually condemn and cast doubt and shade on the 20,000 white athletes in the Russian federation?

Armstronglivs wrote:

When has a doper ever admitted it, even when caught? Always, the excuses and protestations of innocence. Lying goes hand in hand with cheating.

This is an idiotic take. Imagine you were in her situation - one of the best athletes in the world, never doped knowingly, and then have a positive test. How would you react? Exactly as she is reacting right now.

Having played "who is the liar" games quite a bit in my life, I feel good about my ability to spot a liar.

Shelby clearly is not lying. That doesn't mean she didn't take a banned substance, it just means she didn't do so knowingly and willfully. If you believe she and Jerry are liars, you have a high view of an average human's ability to lie.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

When has a doper ever admitted it, even when caught? Always, the excuses and protestations of innocence. Lying goes hand in hand with cheating.

This is an idiotic take. Imagine you were in her situation - one of the best athletes in the world, never doped knowingly, and then have a positive test. How would you react? Exactly as she is reacting right now.

Having played "who is the liar" games quite a bit in my life, I feel good about my ability to spot a liar.

Shelby clearly is not lying. That doesn't mean she didn't take a banned substance, it just means she didn't do so knowingly and willfully. If you believe she and Jerry are liars, you have a high view of an average human's ability to lie.

I do. People lie all the time. We are good at it. Especially when everything is on the line. I believe the authorities over her telling "porkies" (if you'll excuse that expression).

Now remind me - when has a convicted doper ever conceded they had doped, and not come up with a bunch of excuses?

There are two ways to interpret his statement:

1. I am a liar,

2. I am so ignorant, reckless and/or bad at my job that I am not even aware of one of the most common illegal substances that can ruin the careers/lives of the people I am responsible for.

burrito connoisseur wrote:

Why does this potentially matter? If the burrito wasn't pork - let's say it was chicken - and their argument to CAS was cross-contamination via bad food prep or something...well, that might also give some information about how likely their explanation is to explain the levels found in Houlihan's test.

This seems very plausible. No way you get to those levels with trace contamination.

Maybe Chris Derrick puts it best:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJbiO0nlPW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Dieters toothbrush wrote:

Jerry lost me as soon as he said he had never heard of nandrolone.

Never heard of the substance in one of THE most notorious doping busts in running history??

Dieter the Cheater??

Dieter Baumann claimed his nandrolone was from spiked toothpaste. This happened in the 1990s, when Schumacher was an athlete.

I find it impossible to believe someone of even average intelligence who is a professional running coach has not heard of nandrolone.

That makes it difficult for me to believe whatever else he has to say.

+1

Once a liar...

Btw, little known fact about Baumann: at first he blamed the meat too (before coming up with the infamous toothpaste joke). But the meat excuse wasn't believed so he had some local meat tested. Negative of course.

Nowadays neither the suspect's team nor the courts bother with testing; they just argue.